Episode 68
Quantum Healing with Philipp Samor von Holtzendorff-Fehling
Teemu Arina is joined by Philipp Samor von Holtzendorff-Fehling - conscious entrepreneur, energy healer, and founder of Leela Quantum Tech - to explore the cutting-edge world of quantum healing and energy medicine. From corporate life at T-Mobile to shamanic practices and quantum technologies, Philipp shares his powerful personal journey and mission to help others balance energy, reduce stress, and elevate consciousness.
Together, they dive deep into the science and mysticism behind quantum fields, energy frequencies, the biofield, and structured water. Teemu brings a critical yet open-minded lens, asking tough questions about placebo effects, scientific validity, and empirical studies—many of which Leela Quantum has conducted to test the effectiveness of its products.
From overcoming chronic Lyme disease to exploring how traditional healing and modern science might intersect, this episode takes you on a journey through frequency, resonance, holistic wellness, and the potential of high-vibrational living. Whether you're a skeptic or seeker, this conversation offers thought-provoking insights into what the future of healing could look like.
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This conversation was recorded in April 2025.
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Key moments and takeaways:
00:00 Introduction by Teemu Arina
01:00 Who is Philipp von Holtzendorf-Fehling?
02:30 The personal journey into quantum healing
04:05 The limitations of traditional Western medicine
05:50 Emphasis on a holistic approach to health and well-being
07:15 Understanding the connection between mind, body, and energy
09:00 The science behind quantum healing practices
11:40 Case studies highlighting efficacy
13:15 Exploring the power of intention in healing
15:00 The role of energy and frequency in the human biofield
17:20 Discussion of healing modalities: from shamans to modern technology
19:40 The importance of emotional health in physical healing
21:10 Insights on quantum technology and its applications
23:30 Bringing the ancient wisdom of traditional medicine to modern practices
25:50 The significance of research and evidence in alternative healing
27:40 Future of quantum healing and community discussions
31:25 Understanding Quantum Energy Technology
44:48 Consciousness and Higher Frequencies
51:53 Real Effects of Quantum Products
53:40 Community and Resources for Healing
Transcript
Music.
Speaker:My name is Teemu Arina. Welcome to the Biohacker's Podcast. Today we are talking
Speaker:about energy and quantum energy.
Speaker:Specifically, my guest is Philipp von Holtzendorf-Fehling.
Speaker:He is a conscious entrepreneur, energy healer, and founder of the Leila Quantum
Speaker:Tech and Quantum Upgrade.
Speaker:He has been around the biohacking conferences, health optimization conferences,
Speaker:wellness conferences, and also podcast talking about quantum healing and energy.
Speaker:He has worked on himself and with his wonderful wife, who shares the same passion
Speaker:on developing these skills on the energy side as a healer.
Speaker:I would be very fascinated to hear how you got into that.
Speaker:But before we go into it, today's topic is quantum healing and energy healing.
Speaker:And we're going to touch on products and technology. For the listeners,
Speaker:I'm going to say that as the authors of The Biohacker's Handbook,
Speaker:which is based on 1,000 references, meta-studies, mainly published in the last
Speaker:few years with Philipp, we have had ongoing conversation based on studies, science.
Speaker:Like on these healing effects on quantum mechanics.
Speaker:Quantum mechanics obviously is a real
Speaker:thing and we can all probably agree
Speaker:that the human body is more complex than we
Speaker:realize most of the science has
Speaker:always been reductionist in nature so isolating things into single molecules
Speaker:or metabolic pathways or mechanisms so we need to isolate effects but anyone
Speaker:who is in the field of holistic wellness and health and well-being knows that
Speaker:even with food If you take something like coffee,
Speaker:we know caffeine is kind of the active ingredient,
Speaker:but there's 100, over 500,
Speaker:600 different molecules in coffee.
Speaker:And caffeine is different from coffee, like curcumin is different from turmeric and so on.
Speaker:So it's very hard to study, very complex things. So the best thing we have is actually...
Speaker:Isolate? What is the mechanism? But when it comes to holistic healing and well-being,
Speaker:like if you start from healing the gut,
Speaker:you change your circadian rhythms, you are starting to exercise,
Speaker:but in the end, it's all about patterns. It's about structure.
Speaker:It's about mindset because in the end, your body doesn't see what you see.
Speaker:They see the reaction that your body is having to the external world through
Speaker:your nervous system, through your hormones, through different biochemical messengers.
Speaker:So you can literally change your health and well-being by not just changing
Speaker:your environment, but your response to it.
Speaker:And the way I see quantum healing and all of that is to work a lot on that level
Speaker:of consciousness and mind.
Speaker:Thank you very much for Philip for you
Speaker:to join into the show thanks for having me on great
Speaker:so let's start and kick off life what got
Speaker:you into this field you are you
Speaker:have been an executive you have worked for T-Mobile in
Speaker:US you've been a vice president what got
Speaker:you into this health and wellness and quantum
Speaker:healing it happened on two paths basically
Speaker:one was that in the early 2000s I had
Speaker:realized that I had cut myself off from my own emotions
Speaker:and feelings and I realized that I
Speaker:discredited my own intuition and I
Speaker:discredited the intuition in others as well and when I
Speaker:realized that it sparked in me the desire
Speaker:to really find myself again and to
Speaker:find this intuition this inner voice that I
Speaker:had lost and that got me onto the path of
Speaker:yoga and meditation and then I got really curious what
Speaker:else is possible so i try to find some of the best healers
Speaker:across the world i myself got trained in
Speaker:various energy healing techniques shamanic practices in
Speaker:past life regression work and all of that and then the parallel path was you
Speaker:know with my wife at the time who's now not my wife anymore but we're still
Speaker:great friends and she got diagnosed with chronic lyme disease in 2010.
Speaker:And then doctors told her, well, you know, you'll either die from it or you'll
Speaker:just be bad and you just can't heal it.
Speaker:You just do whatever, take antibiotics and that's it.
Speaker:Nothing worked. I got into this rabbit hole starting in 2010 where I learned
Speaker:really what the pharmaceutical industry is all about.
Speaker:I understood, okay, there's all kinds of different modalities that you can try
Speaker:to optimize your body. We went to someone like Dr.
Speaker:Klinghart, who's the German Lyme disease guru who lives in Seattle in the U.S.
Speaker:And so I always try to find the next best thing that could help her.
Speaker:And I really found my passion in that.
Speaker:By the way, she's completely healed, right?
Speaker:She has nothing left since a few years, no symptoms left.
Speaker:And she was at a really bad state in between for a few years.
Speaker:So it's definitely possible. And that, in a nutshell, led to the vision and
Speaker:the mission for Lila Quantum Tech and Quantum Upgrade.
Speaker:Right. So it was through personal struggle.
Speaker:So like many other people in holistic health and wellness, they come to the
Speaker:field from personal struggles and pain and experience and nothing works.
Speaker:And it's often their own change in their mindset of taking responsibility of
Speaker:their own healing that leads them to the path.
Speaker:So I assume you tried everything that comes to traditional medicine before relying
Speaker:on energy healing, samanic healing and all of this, I would guess.
Speaker:Yeah. So at the time we tried antibiotics for my wife, for example,
Speaker:and that was the usual world you turn to at first to the regular doctors.
Speaker:But then nowadays I would not go to any regular doctor.
Speaker:I would not take any medication unless I break my leg or something like that.
Speaker:I found out it's always an imbalance in the body that we can bring back into balance.
Speaker:And sometimes it's physical. You need to do some physical things.
Speaker:But at the same time, I'm a big proponent of taking care of our biofield, right?
Speaker:If we wake up and we brush our teeth and then we wash our face,
Speaker:we take a shower, and then we exercise, we take supplements,
Speaker:we do ice bath, maybe red light sauna, vibration plates, it's all physical.
Speaker:Yet we're energy and frequency at core. So if we can incorporate also taking
Speaker:care of our biofield, and there's lots of different ways on how I can do that,
Speaker:then that becomes really holistic biohacking from my perspective or bioenergy hacking.
Speaker:It's holistic health that I'm then chasing and not just one-sided physical health
Speaker:because I can do all the great physical things and still be in a bad state because
Speaker:I have emotional trauma,
Speaker:for example, or I just constantly vibrate subconsciously in anger and guilt.
Speaker:And then that's what I'm calling into my life. So I'm not going to have a happy
Speaker:life, even though I'm doing all the ice baths, all the whatever.
Speaker:So it's for me always to take into really the holistic perspective.
Speaker:Right. Let's get into that in a minute, but I'm going to backtrack a little
Speaker:bit into the Lyme disease aspect.
Speaker:And so I'm going to connect this to shamans and shamanism a little bit here
Speaker:as well. I'm going to pull out a scientific article.
Speaker:This research paper from 2020 was published in the frontiers in medicine magazine
Speaker:and the researchers were looking into this was the department of molecular microbiology
Speaker:and immunology from bloomberg school of public health john hopkins basically so really high.
Speaker:Level medical school. And they were studying natural and botanical medicines
Speaker:that have activity against Lyme disease,
Speaker:which is caused by different forms, both growing and non-growing forms of,
Speaker:like it's the Latin name for this pathogen that causes Lyme disease.
Speaker:And they were looking into traditional
Speaker:plant medicines that the indigenous people use for antibacterial,
Speaker:antiviral reasons and they
Speaker:use plants to heal right so they found
Speaker:out that there is particularly the
Speaker:most strongest active plants and herbal medicines against they compared this
Speaker:against doxycycline and cefuroxime which are the typical antibiotics for Lyme
Speaker:disease and they compared certain plants against that.
Speaker:And the plants in question that had highest functionality were black walnut, cat's claw.
Speaker:Warm wood, the Mediterranean rock rose, the Chinese school cap,
Speaker:and then from Ghana, this Ghanaian quininin, and knotweed.
Speaker:And the most strongest plants that were active even against antibiotic-resistant forms of Lyme disease,
Speaker:one of them is something called the japanese knotweed it
Speaker:has a antioxidant called resveratrol that people know
Speaker:from red wine as well that may have anti-cancer properties so this is like one
Speaker:of those things that works really well and then this plant from ghana has an
Speaker:alkaloid called and there's this plant i think the latin name for this particular
Speaker:one is cryptolepis sanguino and so these traditional,
Speaker:medicines used around the world against pathogens were more effective than traditional antibiotics.
Speaker:And the funny thing is that if we think of where antibiotics come from,
Speaker:they come from studying nature and they have used antibiotics against antibiotic
Speaker:resistant bacteria for ages that are often extracted from nature.
Speaker:And interestingly enough, those are often the.
Speaker:That have been used by indigenous people. In traditional medicine,
Speaker:we use, for example, if someone goes through a surgery, the stuff we use to
Speaker:put them into sleep is actually arrow poisons that were used by hunters in indigenous native communities.
Speaker:So I find it very interesting that nature is the ultimate biochemist,
Speaker:the ultimate synthesizer, the ultimate chemist of producing these complex medicines.
Speaker:And the healers that have been around for thousands of years have used traditionally
Speaker:different plants still in modern medicine when we are making new discoveries.
Speaker:Often those are derived from plants or extracted from plants.
Speaker:And with modern technology, we just try to make more effective,
Speaker:better extracts or modify the molecules so that we can patent them,
Speaker:but also that they can target specific things.
Speaker:So nature is super intelligent, but this study shows that we still don't know everything.
Speaker:By studying what the indigenous communities used, they might have already a
Speaker:solution to things like Lyme disease.
Speaker:I don't say that this study was conclusive because this was an in vitro study.
Speaker:It was in cultured cells.
Speaker:These essential oils, polyphenols, and plant compounds were more effective than
Speaker:traditional medicines used for Lyme disease.
Speaker:It doesn't mean that when you use this, you're going to eradicate Lyme disease.
Speaker:So that's also important to understand that even if we have a study that has
Speaker:like a very specific discovery doesn't mean it's going to work out if you take it internally.
Speaker:Maybe there are side effects. But one interesting thing about side effects is
Speaker:that sometimes the single molecule extract is a completely different thing from
Speaker:the full spectrum plant.
Speaker:In medicine, we try to have a specific compound and they might have side effects
Speaker:while sometimes natural remedies might be more balanced in their effect.
Speaker:I've seen studies on the genes, for example, where a specific extract has more
Speaker:side effects than the actual plant.
Speaker:So for this reason, I do respect traditional healing modalities.
Speaker:Especially when combined with modern technology.
Speaker:But there is another component that shamans use in addition to plants,
Speaker:which is the energy dimension and working with spirits, working with entities
Speaker:like they use allies, like they say plant allies that plants teach them things.
Speaker:So that's where we kind of like, in the West, we
Speaker:kind of are like hmm is that a real effect here so
Speaker:can you maybe talk a little bit about that like what got you interested in shamanism
Speaker:what do you think what i just said what is kind of your point of view what i
Speaker:just like kind of painted here about the connection of traditional medicine
Speaker:and modern medicine well first of all i think the nature is indeed.
Speaker:So intelligent that it provides a solution
Speaker:for any problem that there is and indeed
Speaker:the pharmaceutical industry has derived
Speaker:all that they're doing originally from
Speaker:the plant world and from what they saw in nature and try to imitate it in a
Speaker:chemical way regarding the you know shamanic and healing practices for me it
Speaker:was two things that really got me one is that i noticed while I was getting
Speaker:more into it that I was healing myself with it.
Speaker:I became more free. I became more connected.
Speaker:I realized more of who I am and I suddenly got more access to my inner voice
Speaker:again and to my inner power.
Speaker:So that is something that most people in nowadays world are cut off from because
Speaker:they just live rationally in their brains and they don't have connection to
Speaker:their true essence anymore.
Speaker:The other aspect was the potential of what I could do with myself or that I was solving.
Speaker:What if others could have that as well?
Speaker:The ability to see a healer that can within three, four days heal a broken arm,
Speaker:or there's a huge trauma that someone has had for many, many years.
Speaker:And because of that, there's tons of issues in life and you can solve it within in just a few minutes.
Speaker:That fascinated me. And that also eventually sparked the vision for what we're
Speaker:doing today, because what every healer does and every shaman does,
Speaker:they work with the quantum field and with specific frequencies.
Speaker:And it can be all kinds of different frequencies, right?
Speaker:So a shaman, even when they drum, what are they doing?
Speaker:They change the frequency that they can take you onto a journey.
Speaker:It's because of the frequency change.
Speaker:So you're suddenly tuning into that frequency.
Speaker:And if you just work energetically, you're also changing the field.
Speaker:And so that's the idea behind what we created, because if truly gifted healers
Speaker:can access the quantum field and frequencies, and we all can do that,
Speaker:by the way. So it's not that we can't do that.
Speaker:It's just most Most of us have forgotten how to do that.
Speaker:Now, Nikola Tesla, by the way, going way back, there are a few people that really
Speaker:understood how that works, that you can vibrate the so-called ether.
Speaker:Pull into this reality basically energy that
Speaker:you can then leverage here right a similar understanding even
Speaker:though we're not working at all with electricity is what
Speaker:we applied in developing these
Speaker:products that's in a nutshell the story right so
Speaker:let's talk about the frequency side of things here
Speaker:they use drumming to induce certain states
Speaker:it's interesting that there's a certain beats per
Speaker:minute in a shaman's drum which is similar to
Speaker:techno music for a good reason we call certain type
Speaker:of music trance traditional healers would
Speaker:go into a trance in a traditional setting it's not necessarily that the medicine
Speaker:is taken by the patient but often by the healer himself to access those dimensions
Speaker:realms frequencies to see what is going on with a patient and when And working with the energy,
Speaker:I know this because I have actually spent some quite significant time with the
Speaker:South American healers, living with them in the rainforest.
Speaker:And I've seen the work they do, and I have conversations with them.
Speaker:And the incredible thing about that is that many of the diseases of the West that we see,
Speaker:which are symptoms based, where someone is like, let's say, sick of a viral
Speaker:infection or bacterial infection and so on.
Speaker:Because of their traditions and all of that they didn't have
Speaker:microscopes so they didn't see for example that oh
Speaker:it's a bacteria for them it's it might
Speaker:be spirits that have entered the body and we now know we have immune system
Speaker:and if you have weak immune system you're more likely to get a viral or bacterial
Speaker:infection for example so the spirit of that can enter your body and cause illness.
Speaker:And the interesting thing about the healing that they work on is to work on
Speaker:the root cause that made you sick in the first place.
Speaker:So the sickness and illness, let's say now practically, scientifically speaking.
Speaker:This is weak immune system is caused by an imbalance somewhere else.
Speaker:It's often a psychological, psychophysiological, like
Speaker:there's a pattern in your life that is making you
Speaker:weak and more suspect or likely to
Speaker:get spirits or entities to enter your body
Speaker:so this is the way how i mean it makes all
Speaker:logical sense just like the in ayurvedic medicines
Speaker:they talk about body types so there is the fiery
Speaker:one and and like a cup and pita and all
Speaker:of this interestingly there is some studies that show that
Speaker:there's some correlation with genetic differences on people but
Speaker:we didn't know about genes but we probably like
Speaker:through centuries of observing people we noticed that not
Speaker:everyone is alike and they have certain abstractions
Speaker:of people and the way how they
Speaker:reach to the same information is through different tools
Speaker:instead of microscopes and petri dishes they use
Speaker:other techniques often coming from intuition seeing
Speaker:things seeing frequencies feeling frequencies that
Speaker:helps them to tap into what's going on with a patient and
Speaker:the healing itself is often helping the person it can be with plant medicines
Speaker:directly to eliminate the pathogen or help the body to recover or balance it
Speaker:but sometimes it's also about helping them to work with their psychology so
Speaker:it might be actually that their problem is.
Speaker:A close relationship they have with their mother or father
Speaker:or spouse or the toxic
Speaker:addictions they are in using alcohol of
Speaker:that is often a coping mechanism to something
Speaker:else that happened in your life they help you to
Speaker:get to the root of your issues so many people
Speaker:go and they have these planned ceremonies journeys
Speaker:they come face to face with their own like
Speaker:people describe their soul or spirit and they
Speaker:see the patterns in their life with new eyes so
Speaker:it helps you to see new perspectives and it's
Speaker:interesting how the brain works because every time you return something into
Speaker:your conscious short-term memory you bring into conscious mind the things that
Speaker:have happened in your life and sometimes those are buried the interesting thing
Speaker:about trauma is often you don't remember there's like amnesia the brain is protecting
Speaker:you it's kind of hiding that from you So in this state,
Speaker:sometimes you can see things that you have forgotten or you can see new ways.
Speaker:And that's also what a trauma therapist does through talk therapy or somatic
Speaker:therapies is helping you to tap into the same experience or energy that you
Speaker:are reliving thousands of times, getting into the root and basically reprogramming it,
Speaker:reliving it with a new perspective and shifting the frequency of that in a way.
Speaker:Metaphorically speaking, if I may.
Speaker:So they are kind of like helping you to tap into the programming and the interesting
Speaker:thing is that when it is seen from a different perspective the interesting thing
Speaker:about the way the brain works is that when you bring something back to memory
Speaker:and you are looking at it you are actually.
Speaker:Transmuting that memory you are changing it step by step with this new ways
Speaker:of looking and new ways of connecting it and this might be that helps you out
Speaker:of the loops this is what might help you to see new perspectives.
Speaker:You can use biochemical ways, like ingesting a compound.
Speaker:You can use sleep deprivation, drumming, breath work, all different ways.
Speaker:The interesting thing about ecstasy or ecstasis is connected to drug experiences.
Speaker:What actually that means is Latin ecstasis, which is out of balance.
Speaker:You need to bring the person a little bit out of balance, kind of in a different
Speaker:frequency through which they can experience and see the experience with new
Speaker:eyes and that's kind of like you're looking at the sunrise or a sunset if you're just in your typical.
Speaker:State you will see it in a certain way okay nice sunrise
Speaker:sunset but if you if your friend just died or you
Speaker:lost lost your wife or you lost your
Speaker:work or or you ingested a compound or
Speaker:you did a massive breadwork session you will
Speaker:see that sunrise or sunset with new eyes and this is kind
Speaker:of like what can happen with with like processing things
Speaker:and that's what i think is processing your trauma mind
Speaker:and it's like like trying to reprogram that
Speaker:memory that imprint so like where
Speaker:you come from and the kind of healing and frequency work you do is this like
Speaker:something that resonates with you is this something that could be the scientific
Speaker:explanation to what is happening when someone is shifting the frequency of their
Speaker:experience yes and no so when we're talking about medicines Obviously,
Speaker:the quantum tech works differently, but what it does, so we're energy and frequency at core.
Speaker:And if we take, for example, a very strong block that we have,
Speaker:right, we can call it a quantum energy generator, but what it actually really
Speaker:is, what most people don't understand, it's a multidimensional quantum space.
Speaker:That is what's inside. and that with
Speaker:that vibration that it has it reminds you of
Speaker:your own completeness it's as if it suddenly
Speaker:wipes the windows of your DNA so that your blueprint can come in that is the
Speaker:best explanation I can give on what the mechanism is and how that works think
Speaker:of you walking in the desert until you're almost dead because you don't have
Speaker:water you're completely dry and then there's someone that gives you a bottle of water,
Speaker:then you drink it and imagine that state where you're suddenly feeling,
Speaker:oh, I'm hydrating again, right?
Speaker:So you're getting a lot of power back. So on an.
Speaker:Highly concentrated quantum field or
Speaker:we can also call it as a high consciousness field can do
Speaker:and yes maybe you can compare it with
Speaker:the medicine but it it works a little bit differently
Speaker:but that what it is what it does and then suddenly because of that your biofield
Speaker:suddenly strengthens gets into balance and then physical things suddenly happen
Speaker:because if you're helping and supporting the biofield,
Speaker:then suddenly you see ripple effects in the physical that can be proven.
Speaker:And that is the mechanism of how it works. Then, of course, we can add specific frequencies.
Speaker:And those could be all kinds of different frequencies. It could be molecular
Speaker:frequencies that, for example, come from certain plants that you mentioned, right?
Speaker:Because every plant, medicine or every other plant, even in any supplement,
Speaker:has a specific vibration.
Speaker:And we can copy that and leverage that.
Speaker:You can take sound frequencies. There's all kinds of different frequencies that
Speaker:can be leveraged for certain use cases so that you could develop a frequency
Speaker:that helps you to sleep better,
Speaker:for example, or it helps you with your metabolism, or it helps you with more ATP production.
Speaker:So then the quantum field becomes sort of the carrier wave.
Speaker:It's just a neutral neutral field that's
Speaker:already by itself supporting our biofield
Speaker:but then you can add information in form
Speaker:of frequency and then when that vibrates then it
Speaker:signals to our body oh wow i can vibrate in this i could leverage that and that's
Speaker:pretty much how that works more and more people now wake up to the fact that
Speaker:we're energy and frequency once you really realize that that is at core what
Speaker:we are energy and frequency then you're like
Speaker:How could I have forgotten that? It's the most fundamental truth of our existence.
Speaker:Yet everyone is running around not realizing that and thinking we're just this physical body.
Speaker:In a sense, we're in super interesting time rooms right now.
Speaker:I find it fascinating because what is happening now is that the consciousness
Speaker:really comes through more and more.
Speaker:And that's also why I love so much that you're changing into the whole of life, for example, right?
Speaker:Because it actually mirrors that, you know, the process that is happening that
Speaker:we're taking into account more than we looked at before, not just the physical.
Speaker:Yeah, I do agree that the physical is just one dimension of that.
Speaker:So in biohacking, it's a lot about the body. It's very materialistic, body-centric.
Speaker:It's like biomarkers optimizing, like what are you optimizing there?
Speaker:In the end, biomarkers are just statistical averages.
Speaker:Most of the studies on biomarkers are where disease is happening outside a certain
Speaker:reference range, and inside a certain reference range, there's less of a certain disease.
Speaker:But still many things are mysteriously connected.
Speaker:And if you have inflammation, your cholesterol goes up. If you have not slept,
Speaker:your cortisol will go up.
Speaker:If you are overstressed, your cortisol might be so low that you're not producing
Speaker:it. The body is releasing.
Speaker:So it's kind of like a compensatory system that is trying to kind of maintain.
Speaker:It's almost like driving a bicycle where when you become skilled,
Speaker:you're living in more harmony with the environment and you're able to do these micro adjustments.
Speaker:This is how I see the body also. in a way when you learn
Speaker:the manual of how to run yourself like
Speaker:we can talk about daily routines we can talk about circadian
Speaker:rhythms we can talk about diets all of that but there
Speaker:is not a single algorithm or blueprint don't believe if someone claims they
Speaker:have like some kind of ultimate secret formula for forever it's something that
Speaker:is a moving target and it needs intuitive adjustment and also practical scientific
Speaker:adjustment in some case because there's also many effects or things you can feel.
Speaker:But can you feel your low magnesium levels right now?
Speaker:Probably. I mean, if you have experience of measuring it and seeing your symptoms
Speaker:and intuitive feeling, but most people can't know if they have low vitamin D or not.
Speaker:One thing that we have discussed is kind of like this scientific thing.
Speaker:And I know this is a hard thing to do because there is limited evidence on quantum healing.
Speaker:Just to give a little bit of a background in quantum healing,
Speaker:often there is a connection made between quantum mechanics, quantum physics,
Speaker:to biological organisms.
Speaker:And many of the quantum physics phenomena at microscopic scales,
Speaker:like the principles of superposition, entanglement.
Speaker:Uncertainty, like all of these systems don't directly translate to biological
Speaker:systems based on studies.
Speaker:So at the scale of a human cell, they might translate at the
Speaker:scale of an atom, but at the scale of a cell that might be completely different.
Speaker:So based on this complexity, there is lack of empirical evidence on the mechanisms
Speaker:of how quantum healing might happen.
Speaker:And the controlled studies are often poorly done.
Speaker:And the extrapolation or the metaphoric explanation that so many people do sometimes
Speaker:confuse the whole thing and spreads misinformation, misunderstanding of the
Speaker:basic physics of these things.
Speaker:So for example, the idea of consciousness directly altering
Speaker:quantum states this is still remaining a
Speaker:theoretical concept it's not proven whatever tesla said we are energy frequency
Speaker:yes we can see all these things and we can measure certain things and we can
Speaker:see all of that but if consciousness can directly alter matter like this is
Speaker:this is like a healer might be able to claim that with my reiki where also you mentioned bio fields.
Speaker:So in Reiki, for example, people work with energy.
Speaker:And the best healer I work with is a Chinese medicine doctor who uses acupuncture
Speaker:and uses meridians and all of that.
Speaker:We're still kind of trying to find where is the meridian here.
Speaker:And we have discovered there's these lymphatic channels, recent discoveries,
Speaker:even like they just found new anatomical things in the human body.
Speaker:It's just a few years ago, they found the lymphatic stem that extends to the brain.
Speaker:They found new lymphatic channels in the body that they thought they had like
Speaker:figured the human organism out but we are still discovering and then there is
Speaker:these thousands of various traditions that claim to work with certain frequencies
Speaker:or healing modalities and for my own experience.
Speaker:I use all of it. I use traditional scientific methods, and I use some of these modalities.
Speaker:And the crazy thing is, I met an Ayurvedic doctor some years ago,
Speaker:who basically just from the hand read, said very specific things to me and my girlfriend at the time.
Speaker:And those things have come true in like the last five to 10 years.
Speaker:So he saw something in just a brief second, and was able to explain it that
Speaker:was very hard to just go and claim like that's happening.
Speaker:I've had people who have gone to traditional healers
Speaker:and the healer might say yeah you have like something there in in
Speaker:your lower back and a few years later they're diagnosed with
Speaker:like some spinal issues and like
Speaker:how do they see that then they might say i just like see the energy and so so
Speaker:maybe some people are so sensitive that they can see dimensions that that regular
Speaker:people can't and it's very hard to translate and communicate and use language
Speaker:to explain things So you're using terms like biofields,
Speaker:like in terms of just scientific debate, it's still like an open thing.
Speaker:But what I appreciate about you is that you are trying to bring the science into the quantum field.
Speaker:So Leila has done 60 plus studies.
Speaker:48 of those are placebo controlled. You have seven ongoing studies based on your website.
Speaker:I've read some of the papers. Some of them are higher quality, some of them less.
Speaker:But at least you are trying to explain what's happening here.
Speaker:But what I'm interested in is like you say that the block, for example,
Speaker:is multidimensional space.
Speaker:How is that created? How does it work?
Speaker:Please explain to me. I want to understand a simple language.
Speaker:So how it's created, we don't share because that's also that's asking someone
Speaker:for their secret recipe.
Speaker:You know, we've worked really hard on finding out how to do that.
Speaker:We share the technology and make it available, but we don't disclose how we
Speaker:actually got to that point because that was the real big effort.
Speaker:How does it work? Again, it is a certain form of very high vibration of the
Speaker:same source energy. So call it source energy. You don't have to call it quantum energy.
Speaker:There's different words for
Speaker:the same thing. It's the same energy that vibrates in each of our cells.
Speaker:If we understand that, no one needs to believe me, that's totally fine,
Speaker:but that's still the way it is.
Speaker:It's the very same energy that vibrates in each of our cells,
Speaker:and it acts like a battery charger. So it charges us with that.
Speaker:It makes in this reality more of that energy suddenly available.
Speaker:So when we're depleted of it, now we can charge ourselves with it.
Speaker:And that has a very positive effect because then indeed what happens is that
Speaker:our energy system is uplifted.
Speaker:We get more into balance. And then you see all those ripple effects in the physical.
Speaker:And by now, I mean, it really, there's so much evidence now.
Speaker:You're right. Some of the studies that we have done at first were lower quality.
Speaker:We started off with just simple before and after testing.
Speaker:And if you do simple before and after testing, of course, that's not scientific
Speaker:evidence, but that's how you get started.
Speaker:As a small company, you don't have the means and the possibilities to start
Speaker:with gold standard studies. So we started with before and after effects and
Speaker:then realized, wow, it's working every time.
Speaker:And it's doing this over and over again.
Speaker:And then, of course, we graduated more and more and more.
Speaker:And people like you have been very helpful on that path because you've challenged
Speaker:us in the beginning and said, you know, I need to see more. You need to have more and show more.
Speaker:And that's what we've been working on. And I think every year we've.
Speaker:Done more and we've shown more and by now we
Speaker:are at a point where we can invite anyone any brain
Speaker:surgeon in the world any influencer to get
Speaker:tested for example and that's just one of those testing methods to get before
Speaker:and after tested with their brain waves for example even including a 5g call
Speaker:to show people what actually happens to the brain when you're exposed to a 5g
Speaker:call for 30 minutes as an example,
Speaker:and what our technology is capable of doing.
Speaker:Literally after that, there's no question mark anymore at all for anyone.
Speaker:We've been showing this now in studies also, and those studies will also be
Speaker:published in a medical journal.
Speaker:Women's fertility, for example, done with 30 women, that will be published in a medical journal.
Speaker:And right now, it's actually being expanded to a hundred women to just have
Speaker:a larger sample size even.
Speaker:But then again, I want to say, because there's still a lot of people out there
Speaker:that think, okay, you have to have like a thousand or 10,000 people in a study
Speaker:for this to be statistically significant.
Speaker:That's complete BS. It always depends on how big is the change.
Speaker:You know, if I have a vaccine that doesn't work and I want to show marginal 1% evidence,
Speaker:I sometimes need to go to maybe a million or 10 million people so that I can show something, right?
Speaker:But if something really works and has significant effects, you can already have
Speaker:statistical evidence with 12 or 15 people.
Speaker:And that's important for people to understand.
Speaker:Yeah, you mentioned that the cells are vibrating at a certain frequency.
Speaker:Now, let's kick the tires a little bit. You mentioned brainwaves.
Speaker:So what causes brainwaves when you have neurons that
Speaker:communicate with each other you have a group of neurons firing electric
Speaker:signals like this this is something
Speaker:that we are capturing in an EEG so this coordinated generation of electric activities
Speaker:shows up as patterns or brainwaves of certain frequency right so alpha theta
Speaker:gamma etc like slower and and faster brainwaves now in terms of a cell,
Speaker:you have sodium channels, potassium, calcium, those minerals,
Speaker:they create and regulate a charge in a cell.
Speaker:And the interesting thing about the electric potential of a cell itself is,
Speaker:I mean, the membrane is definitely like there is a distribution of electric
Speaker:charge on the membrane. And if people want to check, they can look into the
Speaker:Biker's Handbook about the specifics of this.
Speaker:So these charges are essential for cell communication, yes, but they tend to
Speaker:oscillate. they think to change frequency quite rapidly and there's like different
Speaker:dimensionalities of this.
Speaker:So they show different frequencies based on metabolic activity,
Speaker:on cellular communication, on other processes.
Speaker:So when you say that there's a change.
Speaker:In frequency of the cell what do
Speaker:you actually mean are you speaking as a specific are you
Speaker:talking about the average are you talking about the electric signaling
Speaker:of neurons specifically are you talking about the cell membrane charge
Speaker:are you talking about a specific channel like please
Speaker:enlighten me here what do you mean yeah i'm talking about the vibrational charge
Speaker:it doesn't change a specific frequency because it's just a neutral quantum energy
Speaker:field which is again that It's the same base vibration that the cells have.
Speaker:It's not a particular frequency that I'm tuning in as a cell.
Speaker:It's just sort of the baseline.
Speaker:Any cell always has a quantum field and doesn't go away. Even if all those bioelectrical charges change,
Speaker:even if I promote a specific frequency or signal to a cell or expose it to something
Speaker:different, that never changes.
Speaker:It's sort of the baseline. that is always there
Speaker:but then i can indeed infuse specific
Speaker:frequencies and signal to the cell here
Speaker:you know go into activity mode or go into
Speaker:resting mode and then the cell can react that is possible with infusing specific
Speaker:frequencies right when people talk about like often conscious people they talk
Speaker:about like high frequency is better than i operate on a higher frequency or
Speaker:like something as low frequency is bad and high frequency is better,
Speaker:I can tell you that if you have high frequency in terms of heart rate, you're going to die.
Speaker:So you want to actually have low frequency in terms of heart rate,
Speaker:but not too long. They're talking about something different.
Speaker:Or heart rate variability, like you have a higher variation of the heart rate
Speaker:frequency. I know that because you have done HRV studies also on this,
Speaker:because you've been trying to look into different frequencies,
Speaker:dark microscopic studies, you have done HRV studies, all of this.
Speaker:What is that? That is the distance between heartbeats that
Speaker:varies over time so there's like this amplitude or
Speaker:change in variation between heartbeats that's
Speaker:the heart rate variability and that's what you know you can see it's kind of
Speaker:one frequency one representation one dimension there's multiple different dimensions
Speaker:heart rate is like one the distance between heartbeats is another so these are
Speaker:these are frequencies with with heart rate variability you want to have high
Speaker:frequency you want high variation with heart rate,
Speaker:you want to have low. So yeah, I find it sometimes.
Speaker:Funny when people are like high vibe, low vibe, like, what do you mean?
Speaker:Like, if you are super high vibe in terms of your brainwaves,
Speaker:you have ADHD, bro, like chill out, meditate, like lower your frequency.
Speaker:So what I think people want is not higher or lower frequency, they want resonance,
Speaker:they want, you mentioned that in a way, they want harmony, they want resonance, harmony,
Speaker:resonant potential, also long term meditators, when they put them
Speaker:into reactors and look what's happening in the brain it's the
Speaker:synchronization of frequencies across brain regions
Speaker:they don't know what it is what's happening but
Speaker:there seems to be electric activity and coordination between different areas
Speaker:it's almost like you're dancing to music and then you find the beat and that's
Speaker:like where biological organisms strive when you are about to get heart attack
Speaker:like you have arrhythmia That's like you have a loss of free resonance or the
Speaker:beat or the rhythm and like maintaining a certain rhythm.
Speaker:I mean, if you look at earthquakes, that's how we detect them.
Speaker:We try to find anomalies in the background vibrations and in that way we can
Speaker:detect or predict potential earthquakes happening.
Speaker:So is that like, what is when you harmonize? What is when you stabilize the
Speaker:biofield? Like what's happening there?
Speaker:You have done many studies, so please enlighten me.
Speaker:So it's a great point that you're talking about the high vibration and the low
Speaker:vibration, because it indeed depends on what you're looking at.
Speaker:If I use my vibration plates, I can have a very high vibration on a high frequency
Speaker:or on a low frequency, and the low frequency isn't worse at all. It's just different.
Speaker:I think what people talk about and what we talk about when we talk about a high
Speaker:vibrational state, it's a higher consciousness state.
Speaker:Referring, for example, to the work of Dr. David Hawkins that set up a,
Speaker:it's actually a really interesting book for listeners that are interested in
Speaker:attractor fields and how that works.
Speaker:Power versus Force by Dr. David Hawkins, a very interesting book,
Speaker:also available as an audio book.
Speaker:And he set a consciousness scale from zero to 1000, where the low levels of
Speaker:consciousness are anger, shame, guilt.
Speaker:And it's very important to understand because if we vibrate in low consciousness
Speaker:levels, in low vibrational states, then that is what we're calling into our
Speaker:lives because that's how this reality works. How we vibrate,
Speaker:that's what we get into our outer world.
Speaker:And if I vibrate in anger and shame and guilt, that's what I have in my life.
Speaker:Now, if I can change my vibration and lift myself
Speaker:up out of these low vibrational states into for example unconditional love or
Speaker:a state of joy for example joy is this almost this perfect harmony with what
Speaker:is and with myself that you described that you know people seek this harmony
Speaker:and then you could call that the enlightenment zone right.
Speaker:That is what we talk about we have in a book actually
Speaker:the biker's handbook we do refer to david hawkins
Speaker:originally we looked into his material we actually
Speaker:didn't end up putting his map of consciousness into
Speaker:our book because lack of evidence but what we did
Speaker:we took multiple more academically credible
Speaker:perspectives into consciousness development
Speaker:and we integrated them into a single
Speaker:image and that's where in our
Speaker:mind chapter comes this integrated view of evolution
Speaker:of almost territorial survival paradigm all the way up to higher states of consciousness
Speaker:and in between you have reasoning logic science cause and effect and when you
Speaker:go to the higher states that's where we get into more universal mind or seeing past yourself.
Speaker:Into this transcendence it was
Speaker:even in maslow's hierarchy of needs the last step
Speaker:which is self-actualization and on
Speaker:the whole life summit website we even refer to
Speaker:this self-actualization that that's one of the highest
Speaker:states in your life is like you already
Speaker:are you have evolved you have emotional physical
Speaker:safety social connections you have a well-functioning
Speaker:body you have a well-functioning mind you have
Speaker:a logic reason you understand multiple cause
Speaker:of effect but then going beyond that is like beyond
Speaker:self like it's no longer about you it's it's like
Speaker:the the not self the the other
Speaker:the connection to the universe the plants
Speaker:seeing that we are all one we are all connected just like
Speaker:you can see every human is almost like a cell in a cell in
Speaker:a body called humanity like your body is
Speaker:a collection of cells in a body of a human and within
Speaker:every cell you have atoms that are coordinating together
Speaker:that and molecules that are then forming the
Speaker:cell so there's like these multiple levels of from
Speaker:microcosmos to macrocosmos and even the whole universe is like reflecting in
Speaker:certain ways the principles that you find in every cell you find in every atom
Speaker:in like this idea of evolving towards higher frequency like enlightenment peace
Speaker:joy from grief, affity, guilt.
Speaker:We see also like you feel down. We have this language like I feel down, I feel like low.
Speaker:And when you feel high, that's when you are like more joyful, more ecstatic.
Speaker:Maslow actually, he didn't include because he was afraid of church actually.
Speaker:So the spiritual establishment of publishing his points of view on transcendence.
Speaker:So what does it mean to transcend yourself almost like
Speaker:becoming godlike immortal infinite and that
Speaker:is the state of consciousness that is
Speaker:beyond self that is omnipotent and or only
Speaker:that it has like this omnipotent quality to
Speaker:it in a sense and we might call that enlightenment and
Speaker:this is what is in david hawkins work but i
Speaker:find his book letting go absolutely fascinating
Speaker:but he has other books as well i was recently recommended
Speaker:by someone that i should get his book
Speaker:called transcending the levels
Speaker:of consciousness for anyone interested in this topic this might be a like a
Speaker:treasure trove to to dive into but i i found letting go a huge help for my own
Speaker:psychospiritual healing even though i couldn't find proper scientific evidence
Speaker:for his work he had this abstraction that made a lot of sense to me So,
Speaker:I do agree on that. Yeah. So...
Speaker:Okay so you are basically working with these energies and
Speaker:these like frequencies and so people can put
Speaker:objects or things into this block and you
Speaker:claim that it is changing its state or doing
Speaker:something that like i mean i can't see
Speaker:with my naked eye what's happening but like what can people.
Speaker:Expect when they put things into the block you
Speaker:change the vibration of whatever you put
Speaker:inside and that can be more or less
Speaker:helpful if you put let's say a golden Rolex watch
Speaker:in there right then you just have the benefit of it shining
Speaker:more it vibrates higher people that are sensitive
Speaker:to energies they can actually see it people that
Speaker:cannot see energy they would tell you oh it looks more beautiful
Speaker:now it starts to become really useful if
Speaker:you put water inside for example because you can
Speaker:structure water with this as has
Speaker:been shown not only by the emoto institute
Speaker:in japan which has been
Speaker:reselling our products since they performed these
Speaker:analyses because they found well this is quite
Speaker:incredible but then you know there's also people
Speaker:that say well okay the emoto institute that's great work
Speaker:but i i'm more mainstream i don't buy into what
Speaker:the emoto institute says so we said okay
Speaker:let's let's see what else is out there and
Speaker:we had bumped into through a professor that
Speaker:had run some tests in the u.s he found out that the redox potential changes
Speaker:of substances that you put in inside the block now the redox potential is something
Speaker:that you can measure as a chemist it's just mainstream it's black or white and
Speaker:so there's a chemist in germany that ran a study.
Speaker:So we, first of all, tested multiple different substances and found,
Speaker:indeed, yeah, that's true, the redox potential.
Speaker:She couldn't believe it, but it still happens. So then we said,
Speaker:okay, so it'd be nice if you could do this with water.
Speaker:And Jen, please repeat it 12 times, just so that on different days,
Speaker:just so that, you know, there's for some other people that want to see something
Speaker:chemical, they also can see what happens.
Speaker:And then each time the redox potential changed quite significantly. So there's that.
Speaker:So there's something happening. What else is this relevant for? It's relevant for food.
Speaker:Now, the claim, I'm not making a claim with the food right now because I want
Speaker:to be really mindful because food sensitivities and food allergies, while widely known,
Speaker:there are so many different reasons and there's way too many substances for
Speaker:me to make a claim and say this technology can help with that.
Speaker:But there is a lot of evidence pointing to the situation that the vibration
Speaker:of the substance you put in.
Speaker:Is harmonized so that once you then ingest it, it has less of an effect.
Speaker:Now, there's a lot of anecdotal evidence, first of all, across the board.
Speaker:I mean, we have probably hundreds of people that have reported that over time,
Speaker:even with things that they could never, ever consume a lemon,
Speaker:for example, in their life.
Speaker:With severe consequences, now they were able to. We even went to,
Speaker:as far as three and a half years ago, at Dave Asprey's biohacking conference
Speaker:in Orlando, live on stage in front of over 100 people.
Speaker:There was a live test done. It is still visible on our YouTube channel, by the way.
Speaker:With someone that's allergic to crab meat, scientists put crab meat in his arm.
Speaker:He instantly got red. He developed blisters almost, and he got really itchy.
Speaker:And people could see that right in that room. the same crab meat they put in
Speaker:our block for, I think it was five minutes or six minutes.
Speaker:Now we know it's just three minutes is what's needed.
Speaker:And then they put the crab meat in his other arm, no allergic reaction, right? Okay.
Speaker:Of course, it's certainly possible. However, it always happens over and over
Speaker:again, also with the same person.
Speaker:Then we had a clinic in Munich, that's the last point to that.
Speaker:Study that with a $40,000 device where they can test the food sensitivities
Speaker:and the allergic reactions and stress response of the human body.
Speaker:And they found a 55 to 85% reduction in allergy and stress response of the human
Speaker:body if the substance, whether that was lactose or gluten or even sugar.
Speaker:Like a chocolate, was put inside the block beforehand.
Speaker:So again, I'm not making a claim. I'm not suggesting.
Speaker:As a matter of fact, I'm saying the opposite. that do not try this at home because
Speaker:it may be too difficult if you have a severe allergy. But there is something there.
Speaker:So now as a biker i can eat all my gluten like
Speaker:i just put it in the block and i will be fine but yeah
Speaker:i find this fascinating i mean in one case placebo
Speaker:is real like all of that at least you're trying so you
Speaker:have like you looked at hrv you have looked at atp
Speaker:production energy production of the cell you have looked at
Speaker:redox potential you're looking at allergen response stress
Speaker:response like different messengers if people want to
Speaker:check it out like on your website lila l-e-e-l-a-q.com
Speaker:slash research you can find papers you can check
Speaker:them out there is the moto study also on the
Speaker:structure of the water that's interesting but i'm
Speaker:open-minded i'm ready to try these things i've got
Speaker:a pendant that has this charge in it
Speaker:so let's see if i'm gonna sleep better this week i got
Speaker:some for my groin some emf protecting
Speaker:things and this is like based on restudies like all these
Speaker:fabrics can really reduce electromagnetic radiation
Speaker:does it have a real effect well i got on my table i got like this fully covered
Speaker:on silver fabric under and i measured that it produces way less emf now i can
Speaker:put pants on that i got your block i'm ready to try i might have some food sensitivities
Speaker:but I'll see what happens with these things.
Speaker:My concern has always been that you have a proprietary method and technology
Speaker:that you don't show but you do.
Speaker:Placebo control blinded studies of
Speaker:that you do most of the research with open cards but like
Speaker:what is the trick in terms of the quantum field charge
Speaker:product this is like your trade secret
Speaker:the product that even the scientists don't necessarily know but they can measure
Speaker:these effects i find it fascinating i want to be a believer and if people want
Speaker:to hear more they want to dive deeper into this whole thing so philip and me
Speaker:we're going to get on stage we're going to talk about the evidence,
Speaker:the science, all of that.
Speaker:He has some new studies coming out with whole life summit, 14, 15, June.
Speaker:They will be there. Philip will be there. So we're going to have a little conversation
Speaker:and very happy, very eager to see if something comes out of this that is proven.
Speaker:But you have a lot of cases.
Speaker:You have a hundred women, most of them getting benefits. So something is working.
Speaker:Is that placebo or is there real effects will remain to be seen,
Speaker:but your studies are a great thing because many people
Speaker:in this industry they are not doing the studies they are
Speaker:not sharing any of the data they don't share any of
Speaker:the results they just have claims with you at least
Speaker:you are pushing that forward you're spending your
Speaker:hard-earned money on getting the studies out so
Speaker:that we can see effects on this and you have like testimonials you have a lot
Speaker:of customers behind these products and yeah like there is there are so many
Speaker:things about the quantum healing aspect where i mean i've read the quantum healing
Speaker:books and all of that a lot of it is like done by meditators but there's real
Speaker:scientists who have also like.
Speaker:Been driving into it if people want to check out the blog the capsules the clothing you can go to.
Speaker:Leelaq.com Leela Quantum Tech you can also google it you can find their products,
Speaker:on everything and all quantum healing and frequency and vibration i think we're
Speaker:going to do another podcast because i think we need to like really get to the
Speaker:root of this but yeah people can come to the Summit have a little conversation
Speaker:listen to it see the product yourself try it yourself.
Speaker:Let's see if we find someone who is sensitive to
Speaker:crab meat or something else there's definitely going
Speaker:to be a lot of gluten not necessarily allergic but mentally
Speaker:and physically intolerant people so very fascinated
Speaker:to see the response on your technology and products
Speaker:and i appreciate your i'm open-minded
Speaker:so i want to try these things and see what's really there and you said that
Speaker:anyone can come to a lab see for themselves i'm gonna do that i'm gonna come
Speaker:to your lab at some point and check out like if we are able to change my state
Speaker:from exposure to these things With that, how can people know more?
Speaker:I mean, you've got the research articles, you've got the products,
Speaker:you've got the testimonials, all of that on your website, if they want to follow
Speaker:you or any other resource you want to share.
Speaker:Yeah, so they can follow me personally on Instagram at philipvhf or at lilaquantum
Speaker:on Instagram. That's for the social media people out there.
Speaker:But then there's a very interesting aspect here. That's our Telegram community.
Speaker:We have a pretty large Telegram community of very active customers,
Speaker:over 11,000 in total. but there's one specific group, the English speaking.
Speaker:All about Lila quantum technology.
Speaker:It's over 7,000 people and I'll share the invite link with you.
Speaker:Maybe if you want to put it in the show notes, if you're interested,
Speaker:you also can access it through our website but you would not find it on Telegram because it's private.
Speaker:We don't want bots in there and no uninterested people.
Speaker:And there you can hear from real people and you can ask questions,
Speaker:listen in and maybe that's a good step. Wonderful.
Speaker:So on the website, Right on the bottom, there is a link to join the Telegram group.
Speaker:I'm going to put it into the show notes. I'm going to put leelaq.com on the show notes.
Speaker:The group name is Quantum Power Group. So let's find the power in quantum to
Speaker:help us heal and find the resonance and frequency that we all need in our lives.
Speaker:Thank you very much, Philipp, for this conversation. I'm fascinated to learn more.
Speaker:Thank you very much for having me on, Teemu. Awesome. I'm gonna have all these
Speaker:pants on and see what happens you know in a few months the Summit is coming
Speaker:along pretty nicely and I need all the protection from bad spirits I can and
Speaker:hopefully this was fun and interesting.
Speaker:Music.
