Episode 66
Biohack Your Liver with Siggi Clavien
In this episode of the Biohacker's Podcast, Teemu Arina is joined by Siggi Clavien, the founder and CEO of Equilibrium Labs, for an eye-opening discussion on the liver’s critical role in overall health. Clavien, a biotechnology pioneer with a background in plant-based medicine from Cornell University, offers a fresh perspective on the liver, calling it the "master regulator of human health" and the "general of the body." He explains how this vital organ goes far beyond detoxification, playing a central role in immune regulation, hormone management, and nutrient distribution. Drawing on both ancient healing traditions and cutting-edge science, Clavien presents a powerful framework for understanding and optimizing liver function.
Throughout the conversation, Clavien highlights the rising global concern of non-alcoholic fatty liver disease (NAFLD), affecting a staggering 38% of Western populations. He emphasizes the liver's remarkable regenerative capabilities, revealing how the liver can recover even from substantial damage. The episode also delves into practical biohacks for supporting liver health, such as intermittent fasting, photobiomodulation, and the surprising benefits of drinking coffee. Additionally, Clavien discusses the importance of early diagnostics and how traditional blood tests often fail to catch liver issues in time. His holistic approach, which integrates emotional and spiritual wellness, ties the liver’s function to broader concepts of self-love and well-being. Tune in to learn how understanding and supporting the liver could be the key to better health.
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This conversation was recorded in March 2025.
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Key moments and takeaways:
00:00 Introduction by Teemu Arina
00:07 The Importance of Liver Health
00:59 Meet the Expert: Siggi Clavien
04:09 Understanding Liver Functions
06:21 The Liver's Regenerative Powers
10:33 Liver Health and Hormonal Balance
12:47 Global Liver Health Concerns
14:21 Supporting Liver Detoxification
20:55 Dietary Supplements for Liver Health
30:29 Biohacks for Optimal Liver Function
38:17 The Importance of Liver Scanning
38:51 FibroScan: The Gold Standard
40:07 MRI and Other Diagnostic Tools
42:37 The Role of Nutrition and Lifestyle
44:18 Sweating and Detoxification
45:35 The Power of Infrared and Sleep
48:54 Eastern Medicine and Deliverance
56:25 Functional Mushrooms and Foraging
01:01:50 Biohacking and Holistic Health
01:05:34 Conclusion and Future Plans
Transcript
Music.
Speaker:Hi, my name is Timo Arina. Welcome to the Barker's Podcast. Today we are talking about the liver.
Speaker:The liver, like people are really excited about detoxing their liver,
Speaker:taking different supplements and even doing laboratory testing.
Speaker:Nowadays you can scan your liver and figure out what's going on.
Speaker:Many of the markers that you get from a traditional lab are kind of lagging
Speaker:indicators. it might be already too late but you can most likely do a lot of
Speaker:things because liver is the organ that can renew itself.
Speaker:Herbal medicines have been used for centuries for targeting the liver and many
Speaker:people do take things like curcumin and choline for liver health but are you
Speaker:doing it correctly? This is what we're going to learn today.
Speaker:My expert on this podcast today is Siki Clavian from Equilibrium Labs.
Speaker:He is the father and CEO of this pioneering biotechnology company dedicated
Speaker:to enhancing liver health and overall well-being.
Speaker:He has a background in plant-based medicine from Cornell University,
Speaker:and he leverages his expertise in biotechnology and traditional herbal medicine
Speaker:to develop innovative wellness products.
Speaker:They have been in our conferences scanning people's livers which is awesome
Speaker:because they can do it live and then then provide you advice how to get get
Speaker:your liver back to health and yeah his personal personal mission.
Speaker:Is comes from a background of losing a family
Speaker:member to alcohol abuse and many people think of liver and
Speaker:alcohol would be kind of the combination that is not healthy but there's many
Speaker:other things as well in terms of poor lifestyle in general and not so smart
Speaker:dietary choices but there's many things we can do to liver health and we're
Speaker:going to talk about everything and all liver health in today's podcast welcome to the show Siggy.
Speaker:Well, thank you very much for being here. Nice to have a chat at Liberal Health.
Speaker:As somebody that studied plant medicine in the rainforest, in the Amazon and
Speaker:in Panama and with different tribes, when you brought the Amazonians to the
Speaker:last show, that was really special and different.
Speaker:Your show has a lot of soul to it, which is needed. Thank you.
Speaker:Thank you. I want to honor the ones who have done this work for thousands of years.
Speaker:When we think of healing and the art of healing, that's why I think as much
Speaker:as we have the latest supplement and technology and discovery and scientists.
Speaker:We also need to honor the ones who carry the tradition of plant medicines because
Speaker:that's where a lot of the supplements and drugs come from, is from plants.
Speaker:Those are the ultimate chemists.
Speaker:And I somehow see these wisdom keepers being able to see things in a more full
Speaker:spectrum way than a reductionist approach.
Speaker:While a reductionist approach is very much needed, you want to have precision
Speaker:approach and precision medicine for many things, but to keep yourself healthy,
Speaker:to really work on the route,
Speaker:often taking a more comprehensive approach is definitely required.
Speaker:And liver health is like not different.
Speaker:I mean, it's a master filter, one of the key organs of the body.
Speaker:One of the things that if that organ fails, you don't have much time.
Speaker:But this is the topic we're going to talk about today.
Speaker:So if we dive into liver health, can you run us through the basic functions
Speaker:on the liver, phase one, phase two, and its role in the body? Yeah.
Speaker:Absolutely. So I've been doing phytomedicine development for 28 years.
Speaker:And every day that goes on, I learn more about the liver.
Speaker:And the liver is a master organ. And in order to achieve the success and the
Speaker:results and the data that we do was I actually turned to Eastern medicine because
Speaker:you have 5,000 years of Kapiya in Ayurvedic, Persian Ayurvedic,
Speaker:traditional Chinese medicine as well.
Speaker:And combining that knowledge and that wisdom and studying plant-based medicine
Speaker:with the tribes in North America and South America as well with modern technology
Speaker:is what we're all about to do that.
Speaker:And the liver is considered the general of the body in Eastern medicine.
Speaker:And it's because its function and its mastermind of so many other organs is
Speaker:why it's given that name of the general.
Speaker:And most people think of it as, oh, it's my big detox engine.
Speaker:And that's just one of the things it does is it has 500 vital functions,
Speaker:thousands of which subsets as well, like enzymatic responses and this.
Speaker:But I think the biggest thing that the liver does that we need to always focus
Speaker:on is it's the master of your immune system.
Speaker:It is the master and in control of your hormones. We do a lot with women's health,
Speaker:where it'd be menopause, perimenopause as well. And the liver is the most important organ for them.
Speaker:For longevity, the liver is the most important.
Speaker:Everything from it stores vitamins and proteins and minerals,
Speaker:and then it distributes that throughout the body as it sees fit.
Speaker:So it's a very, I consider it to be an inherently intelligent organ as well.
Speaker:And it's so complex that that's why we cannot replicate it with technology.
Speaker:Whereas there's artificial heart, there's artificial lungs, there's artificial
Speaker:dialysis machines, the liver is constantly regenerating billions and billions of cells.
Speaker:So it's evolving as we evolve, and it's constantly doing that.
Speaker:I think a really cool fact about the liver is whether you're five years old
Speaker:or you're an 85 years old, the average age of your liver is only three years old.
Speaker:So it's regenerating that quick that the average cellular age is about three.
Speaker:The older cells generally are about 10 years.
Speaker:And so is that the reason why you can potentially do a lot of good to your liver so rapidly?
Speaker:Like if you change something, if you support it in a certain way,
Speaker:if you get rid of fat around the liver, is that why it's one of the organs that
Speaker:you can actually do something about?
Speaker:I mean, you mentioned the heart. It's a tough one, right?
Speaker:But you can do artificial hearts mechanically, live hearts, stents,
Speaker:cells, but a heart essentially is just a giant pump.
Speaker:Whereas the liver is a control center mastermind and
Speaker:then it's feeding and adapting to everything that's happening
Speaker:but you're right a lot of good things you can do because the liver does
Speaker:so much we have to love it we have to take care of it right mitigating the negatives
Speaker:that it has to deal with and then hitting with the positives you can have 90
Speaker:of your liver damaged and it will grow back now we do in kind of all the live
Speaker:liver transplant which is incredible let's say for instance,
Speaker:if your loved one needed a liver transplant,
Speaker:we would take a third of your liver out.
Speaker:We would put that little third into the person.
Speaker:That will grow back to a fully formed organ. And within a month,
Speaker:yours will have grown back to the same size as that's generation.
Speaker:I always say, if we could harness the liver's ability to regenerate and put
Speaker:that in other parts of the body, that's how you could have really long life.
Speaker:Imagine if your other organs did that.
Speaker:You had a heart attack and it had the ability of the liver to regenerate.
Speaker:I can imagine it's because through evolution, it has had to develop these capabilities.
Speaker:I mean, so many things are metabolized by the liver. So there must be like our
Speaker:ancestor must have got all kinds of toxic stuff through their system occasionally
Speaker:that they just had to develop that rejuvenative capability.
Speaker:If we go into its role, what is it actually doing?
Speaker:In addition to metabolizing a glass of vodka, what else is it doing?
Speaker:So it's producing vials that breaks fats down.
Speaker:So it has the gut access liver relationship is incredibly important.
Speaker:So it's producing the vials and acids and what's needed to break fats down so
Speaker:that the intestine can do its job.
Speaker:So when you eat a nutritious meal, it goes to the stomach, it gets broken down,
Speaker:and the small intestines is pulling out all the good bits and leaving the bad bits.
Speaker:That's why if you have leaky gut, it can lead to certain liver issues or liver
Speaker:damage because toxins that generally would not get into the bloodstream should
Speaker:have been protected going through the small intestine.
Speaker:But if you have leaky gut, it's then piercing that and getting into the bloodstream.
Speaker:So as we eat nutritious food, your small intestine pulls all the good bits,
Speaker:the nutrients out and the proteins and the minerals.
Speaker:All of that then goes in the bloodstream to the liver. The liver then organizes
Speaker:all of those nutrients and it stores them and it's responsible and the control
Speaker:center for releasing them throughout the body as needed.
Speaker:If your liver is not functioning very well, your ability to absorb nutrition
Speaker:is severely diminished.
Speaker:So white red blood cells, it's in charge of your immune system.
Speaker:While the lymphatic system is the pathway throughout the body,
Speaker:the liver's in charge of your immune system.
Speaker:So if you want to have a great immune system, you have to take care of your liver.
Speaker:Skin and hair, right? That is controlled by your liver as well.
Speaker:The largest organ in the human body is the skin.
Speaker:And the second largest internal organ is the liver. So the relationship between
Speaker:them is incredibly important.
Speaker:Hence why people that have higher toxicity or liver issues, it'll manifest on the skin.
Speaker:And most of the skin is actually, we don't see it because it's below the surface.
Speaker:It's kind of like looking at the sea.
Speaker:You think, oh my God, it's so vast. But you're only seeing the surface of it.
Speaker:But if you think what's under the water, next time you're at the water,
Speaker:you think, oh, it's so massive.
Speaker:Just think how much is below it. And that's what the skin's like. and the skin liver.
Speaker:So the liver is going to keep your hair, your skin healthy as well.
Speaker:Hormones, right? It manages your hormones, especially important for women's
Speaker:health and progesterone and estrogen.
Speaker:If your liver is healthy, you'll have a better case of hormonal health and side
Speaker:effects and balance and equilibrium.
Speaker:Whereas if your liver is not well, or your liver is out of balance,
Speaker:your hormones can go askew as well.
Speaker:If the excess hormones need to be flushed and processed by the liver and they
Speaker:get excreted and they go out.
Speaker:If a woman drinks three plus times a week socially alcohol, their ability to
Speaker:flush toxins and hormones diminishes
Speaker:to the point to where they run a 30% higher risk of breast cancer.
Speaker:That's a correlation that really comes down to liver function as well because
Speaker:if the liver's under attack.
Speaker:So in the last 50 years, population growth has increased.
Speaker:Most diseases have kind of been in parallel with that and we're starting to
Speaker:push diseases down, except for liver health.
Speaker:The liver disease is up 400%. So it looks like an outlier. Wow.
Speaker:The globally 400% increase and there's reasons for that.
Speaker:But first and foremost is when you introduce 100,000 plus chemicals into the
Speaker:human body, over a hundred years.
Speaker:Body and the liver have not evolved enough to be able to deal with that.
Speaker:So the liver's under constant attack.
Speaker:And that's everything from if you're walking down the street and you're breathing
Speaker:in all the different chemicals and fumes from a petroleum car to chemicals that
Speaker:are in your deodorant, your toothbrush, your laundry detergent, your water supply.
Speaker:And then, you know, people think with fruit and veg, even if it's organic,
Speaker:you've got all those toxins that it could be in, pesticides,
Speaker:herbicides, insecticides, fertilizers, and then you're ingesting that as well.
Speaker:So we're absorbing toxins throughout the day, not in just what we eat or drink,
Speaker:but also through the skin, through the hair as well.
Speaker:The skin is amazing because it's one of the best pathways to remove toxins,
Speaker:but it is also susceptible to toxins coming in.
Speaker:So what we absorb into our skin goes into
Speaker:the bloodstream as well so the liver is fighting all these battles
Speaker:constantly throughout the day that's why it has to be
Speaker:this incredible organ it's constantly regenerating because it's constantly fighting
Speaker:for us yeah like let's let's talk about how that like metabolism processing
Speaker:filtering actually happens through like phases like phase one and phase two
Speaker:and what can you do to target and support those phases.
Speaker:Well so the first thing we could do you've got phase
Speaker:one phase two phase three right so phase one is activation of
Speaker:detoxification and that's your body's as reacting
Speaker:and activating to what is coming in and then how it needs to break that down
Speaker:and then you've got phase two which is conjugation and that's where oxidization
Speaker:happens oxygens involved and the enzymatic responses that happen in phase one
Speaker:and it's preparing that so there's making it water soluble so you can go into
Speaker:phase three, which is elimination.
Speaker:So you need to have all three flowing. So you need to have your liver in balance to be able to do that.
Speaker:And one, try to eliminate as many toxins to your body so your liver can do that.
Speaker:Keeping your liver properly hydrated is important. So the liver grows by 40%.
Speaker:So when we're sleeping and we're into, so when we sleep, two of the biggest
Speaker:physiological things that happen is so your body's shut down and now you've got all this energy.
Speaker:One is the brain starts storing all the memories of everything that happened that day.
Speaker:It's like a hard drive when you turn it off a computer and you hear the hard drive caching.
Speaker:The brain caches memories just whilst we sleep. And the other thing the liver
Speaker:does is it starts rebuilding.
Speaker:You talk about growing, so it'll grow by 40% and then it'll come back down.
Speaker:And that's why elasticity and softness and the amount of water we have in hydration
Speaker:is so important for the liver's ability.
Speaker:A funny anecdote I tell people when they try to think of the liver,
Speaker:it's about the size of a small chihuahua.
Speaker:So you've got this little chihuahua inside of you. And as you pointed out rightly,
Speaker:so with evolution, the liver has moved up under the rib cage.
Speaker:So it's on your right side of your body.
Speaker:The bottom of your liver follows the contour of the bottom of the rib cage.
Speaker:And so it's protected. So the liver, the body has pushed the liver up there so it's protected.
Speaker:And it goes from the middle of the chest over to the right rib cage.
Speaker:The top's about where the nipple is and the bottom follows the rib cage over.
Speaker:So people know where it is. It's a huge organ.
Speaker:Right right so why is
Speaker:the fat the accumulation then such a huge problem like
Speaker:in and outside of the liver so you've
Speaker:got this two two relationship this the liver creates the
Speaker:bile acids that break fat down and by the liver doing that it needs to be able
Speaker:to be functioning really well through fat so you but you need fat right we need
Speaker:fat we need proteins we need carbohydrates all that as well So as the liver gets fattier,
Speaker:so it starts to store glycans and those glycans form little packets.
Speaker:And if you get too many of those, you start to get an accumulation of fatty
Speaker:liver, which 38% of the Western population has now.
Speaker:So non-alcoholic fatty liver disease is so prevalent that in countries like
Speaker:India, we think it's 50%.
Speaker:The highest recorded case of liver disease and fatty liver, by the way,
Speaker:is Persia or Iran. No alcohol.
Speaker:India, very low. What is in the diet?
Speaker:It's the diet, and there's also genetic predispositions as well.
Speaker:And so Southern Asian population, you have this crescent that goes basically
Speaker:from Iran through Pakistan, India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh.
Speaker:And they genetically will store fat and liver fat much faster than other ethnicities
Speaker:will. And as the liver gets...
Speaker:Didn't they have access to some nutrients while that is happening?
Speaker:Well, they do. And there's conjecture on this, but one of the top hepatologists
Speaker:in Europe is on my board, is the chairman of my board.
Speaker:And my chief science officer is also from South Asian background.
Speaker:And most of that community all agree that one of the reasons they think it was
Speaker:a genetic adaptation, just like Africans will store water more in their buttocks
Speaker:as well, because they go through dry periods,
Speaker:is that with South Asians, there are times of famine or not a lot of food.
Speaker:So what would happen is when food is plentiful and they're eating,
Speaker:they're storing much more packets of fat on the liver than, let's just say, a European would.
Speaker:If you put them on a consistent high caloric diet, they keep storing more and more and more and more.
Speaker:And also that causes them to then get fatty livers.
Speaker:So they call it skinny fat, whereas a South Asian traditionally will not have
Speaker:a high BMI. They could have a PMI of 22, 23, whilst they've got fatty liver disease.
Speaker:And they call it skinny fats, the term. So they hold visceral fat either.
Speaker:So I think that's a lot to do with it. And then you've got this phenomenon where
Speaker:you've introduced a lot of cheap calories into those populations.
Speaker:And so they're storing fat even faster and faster.
Speaker:Right. Yeah. That's so important to know because...
Speaker:If you're a fat or a skinny person, both people can have a fatty liver disease,
Speaker:like the fat on the outside is not necessarily an indicator of having fat accumulation in the liver.
Speaker:When you spoke about why that
Speaker:fat accumulation is challenging for fluid
Speaker:like movement in the liver
Speaker:it just reminded me of if you're
Speaker:cooking and you have a lot of oil and grease and
Speaker:it clogs up the sink and all the pipes and everything
Speaker:it grows especially when it's cooled down so it's
Speaker:kind of like that right it traps water like
Speaker:it slows down movement yeah now i can visualize it
Speaker:now in terms of the supplements that people
Speaker:can use to target phase one phase two phase three i can say what my favorites
Speaker:are that i've been for a decade in biohacking looking into very very much is
Speaker:the first one is turmeric curcumin especially the bioavailable versions that have higher.
Speaker:Maybe smaller molecular structure that it absorbs more readily so that would
Speaker:help the cytochrome B450, which is the part that metabolizes a lot of the drugs.
Speaker:If you take drugs like parastamol, also genetically, some people have,
Speaker:if you're a so-called slow metabolizer or a fast metabolizer,
Speaker:like with caffeine, I'm a fast metabolizer.
Speaker:I can have coffee even in the late evening and it's fine.
Speaker:If you're a slow metabolizer, it takes much longer. So you will be also often
Speaker:more sensitive to certain drugs because of the enzymatic system.
Speaker:Then the second one is green tea extract, EGCG, with the green tea catechins.
Speaker:That's another one that I look into supporting that enzymatic activity.
Speaker:Then in phase two, I'm very interested in anastocysteine that the FDA was like
Speaker:almost banning from the supplement market.
Speaker:That's a precursor to gluthion. And then, of course, luthione itself as a master antioxidant.
Speaker:That is key for elimination of toxins.
Speaker:Then there's alpha-lifoic acid, which is ALA, which is in so many supplements
Speaker:that supports the antioxidant activity.
Speaker:Then milk thistle or silomarin, that is especially in this conjugation reaction
Speaker:in protecting the liver cells.
Speaker:Then years back i remember dr ronda patrick spoke
Speaker:and popularized a lot about using broccoli sprouts and
Speaker:that's basically sulforaphane that can
Speaker:boost the detox enzymes and then
Speaker:in phase three i'm looking at things like artichoke extract
Speaker:dandelion roots in terms
Speaker:of like supporting bile production excretion of toxins and anything that supports
Speaker:bile flow that would be my protocol for the liver what do you think of this
Speaker:what are your comments in terms of common dietary supplements or herbs that
Speaker:could support liver function,
Speaker:So I would completely concur with that list that you just gave and how they react to each pathway.
Speaker:The nature's ability to get rid of those flows, especially with like the dandelion
Speaker:teas and the milk, this is an artichoke.
Speaker:It's very much tied with the hydration to get into the deductive application
Speaker:pathways, phase one, phase two, phase three.
Speaker:A lot of how I develop products and I've listened and when I changed Eastern
Speaker:medicine and a lot how the Amazonians and the Native Americans is listening to the body.
Speaker:And the reason we know, and they've known that those herbs and those plants,
Speaker:which are so good for the body is because they've spent thousands of years listening
Speaker:to the body and having a passive approach, which is now what I go off of,
Speaker:which is rather than trying to proactively tell the body to go into detoxification,
Speaker:I think we give the body things that it needs and the liver,
Speaker:and it will go into detoxification in an order that it feels fit to do that.
Speaker:And listening is very important in how we react.
Speaker:I think milk thistle is kind of the standard herb that people know to take for liver health.
Speaker:I always say that it's better to take milk thistle than not take anything.
Speaker:So it is a very basic good herb to take.
Speaker:It does it from a pharmacological standpoint and formulation.
Speaker:It doesn't play well with other plants as much.
Speaker:So I don't use it anymore in deliverance, but I do think as a basic one to do, it's a lovely herb.
Speaker:I'm a big fan of dandelions. Very good for bile flow.
Speaker:And the curcumin you said it's great because it also cleans the bile ducts, which is important.
Speaker:So besides helping with phase three, it's also helping with phase one and two.
Speaker:And then make sure that the quality you take. Yeah. I always take it with coffee.
Speaker:Like I put my curcumin into coffee. I want to support my liver.
Speaker:So I take some curcumin with it.
Speaker:Yeah. And then a little, if you can, a little pepper, like in deliverance,
Speaker:I use a very high concentrated curcumin extract.
Speaker:So I don't need a lot of it because the bioavailability is higher,
Speaker:but you do need a little black pepper or then a similar alkaline to it to open
Speaker:up its effectiveness and its flow. And coffee is so good for your liver.
Speaker:I was reading a really interesting study today. If somebody that drinks two
Speaker:cups a day of coffee a day is 44% less likely to get liver disease.
Speaker:And if you drink four to six cups a day, it's 66%. So the coffee is,
Speaker:the calories got antioxidants in it and it's very good. As long as it doesn't
Speaker:have mold, it's not a diuretic.
Speaker:And the coffee also brings a lot of blood into the liver as well.
Speaker:By bringing blood into the liver, the liver functions better.
Speaker:The more blood, the better, more water, the better for the liver to do its job.
Speaker:Right. So basically if someone thinks of like coffee as toxic in terms of liver, It's actually healthy.
Speaker:Yeah, I consider coffee to be antioxidant or it protects you from toxins.
Speaker:It's one of the highest source of antioxidants in Western diet.
Speaker:Absolutely. Antioxidants are absolutely key because you've got to get out of
Speaker:this vicious cycle where oxidative stress is causing inflammation.
Speaker:Inflammation is causing a lot of disease, but inflammation causes oxidative
Speaker:stress and you get this vicious circle. So hitting it, you're getting your body,
Speaker:the hydration, the nutrients, and the antioxidants is paramount.
Speaker:And antioxidant activity deals with free radicals and free radicals cause damage.
Speaker:So we use, I use a super antioxidant from a sea kelp that only grows in one
Speaker:place in the world, and that's off of Jeju Island.
Speaker:And they've traditionally eaten this sea kelp as it made a tea out of it for the cognitive effects.
Speaker:That's why when you take a deliverance, you get mental clarity within minutes,
Speaker:because I use nanoparticles and liposomes, and this naturally crosses the blood-brain
Speaker:barrier. But the antioxidants in it are off the charts.
Speaker:And the reason this was discovered was because they're these 300-foot-high kelp forest off of Jeju.
Speaker:And the fish that live in them are incredibly healthy and some of the most prized
Speaker:fish in Korea. And it's because they're eating this super antioxidant-rich sea
Speaker:kelp all the day. What's so special about the sea kelp?
Speaker:And we extract that at one part per millionth. We take 1,000 kilos of that.
Speaker:We extract it to one kilo.
Speaker:And then we go through four distillation processes to get one gram.
Speaker:So I have to take a thousand kilos to get one gram.
Speaker:And the reason is because the antioxidant capacity is off the charts.
Speaker:It's 150 times stronger than most land-based antioxidants.
Speaker:It's four and a half times as much as lion's mane, right? Lion's mane is incredible,
Speaker:but I need that much punch in something super teeny.
Speaker:So we pull it. So the sea has walls, like the rainforest are a source of our
Speaker:best medicines. the ocean is as well and sea-based polyphenols are incredible
Speaker:so a lot of cultures that have a lot of interaction with sea you'll get that as well.
Speaker:I love seaweeds we have used it so many times in the summits for this upgraded
Speaker:dinner we use it all the time like kelp and any kind of seaweed.
Speaker:I think in one event we used like 10 different seaweeds I think it's great in
Speaker:salads many people when they think of.
Speaker:These plants from the sea, they think of iodine. That doesn't directly,
Speaker:in my understanding, relate to the liver detox phases, but it does support thyroid function.
Speaker:That, on the other hand, supports hormonal regulation. That,
Speaker:on the other hand, is connected to liver.
Speaker:So it's a really awesome thing to think about the sea as a source for a lot
Speaker:of healthy nutrients for the body. Now let's talk about some biohacks,
Speaker:some quick hacks, what we can do to support liver health.
Speaker:Let's presume you're a biohacker and you want to hack things like reduce fat
Speaker:accumulation in the liver and support your liver function.
Speaker:What comes to my mind, these things, I mean, alongside with all of these nutrients
Speaker:is things like intermittent fasting, calorie restriction,
Speaker:increasing fat intake instead of sugars and
Speaker:getting rid of industrial sweeteners and fructose maybe
Speaker:even circadian rhythm alignment that you would sleep more
Speaker:you go to sleep before your liver needs to be active and like blow up into like
Speaker:30 volume so it can has it has its like function and rest when you're resting
Speaker:so can you kind of like walk us through that what would you do to hack your liver health.
Speaker:I've been dedicated my life to improving liver health and advancing liver health.
Speaker:The last formulation for deliverance, that took 18 years of R&D.
Speaker:And now it's because of listening and pulling the right extracts and taking things out.
Speaker:One of the things that we learned also from the diagnostic perspective is I'm
Speaker:seeing people get fatty liver much quicker on like diet soda,
Speaker:whereas you would think, oh, it's more sugar and fat.
Speaker:But what happens is when you have anything that's chemical or like a synthetic.
Speaker:Which to be sugar, like aspartame, right?
Speaker:So there's not a lot of sugar in a Diet Coke, but we're seeing people get fatty
Speaker:liver disease much quicker on a Diet Coke than they would on a regular Coke,
Speaker:which is kind of peculiar.
Speaker:But if you think about it, the liver, it's defending us.
Speaker:And if it sees sugars and fats, it knows what that threat is and it knows how to deal with it.
Speaker:But then if you hit a bunch of chemicals that it doesn't understand,
Speaker:it will see that as the bigger threat.
Speaker:So it'll start to store maybe a normal amount of fats and sugars as glycans,
Speaker:which turn into liver fat, while it deals with the chemical that's much more
Speaker:complex because it's a bigger threat.
Speaker:Like an anti-aircraft gunner, it's going to shoot at the plane that's going
Speaker:to cause more damage to you than the little planes that you know how to deal with.
Speaker:You swat away and you start swatting those sugars and fats away while you deal with the chemicals.
Speaker:And lo and behold, that starts building up his fatty liver, as the fatty liver
Speaker:gets sluggish, its function goes down.
Speaker:But what is called NASH, which is this thing in the hepatology world we're all
Speaker:very worried about, it's called the tsunami.
Speaker:There's a tsunami of NASH patients that are going to get hit Western Europe,
Speaker:hit US, and are building up. Now, what happens is when the liver starts to get too fat.
Speaker:It produces too much collagen. The collagen creates these like arteries or veins
Speaker:that go into the liver that causes scarring, fibrosis.
Speaker:And if 10% of those people with NASH, those connect and then you get cirrhosis.
Speaker:And everybody thinks of cirrhosis as a disease that it's fatal that you get
Speaker:when you're an alcoholic.
Speaker:And when you or I were children, it was like 6% of cirrhosis patients were non-drinkers.
Speaker:Today, it's 51%. So I always say that for biohacking a good health,
Speaker:the first thing we must do is be conscious of what we're doing,
Speaker:what we're eating, what we're putting in.
Speaker:That's the very first step of biohacking is knowing what you're bringing in,
Speaker:what you're putting your body into, good and bad.
Speaker:Then I think diagnostics are incredibly important. Blood tests are very important.
Speaker:Cholesterol is controlled by your liver.
Speaker:70% of your cholesterol when you get a blood test is genetic.
Speaker:30% is environmental. And your liver function, if it's bad, you start storing
Speaker:more triglycerides, which that's fat in the bloods and lipids and fats in the
Speaker:bloods leads to plaque and calcium buildup, which leads to cardiovascular disease.
Speaker:So it's very important that people understand, and we're actually working on
Speaker:a study with UC Irvine on this,
Speaker:University of California, is that more people will die of cardiovascular disease
Speaker:because of a fatty liver than will die of liver disease because of a fatty liver.
Speaker:Root cause, metabolic syndrome starts with fatty liver.
Speaker:High-2 diabetes starts with fatty liver. So knowing where you're at, so knowledge, right?
Speaker:Biohacking is about knowledge and information and education.
Speaker:So you've got a great book, which I bought. I've got all your books that you guys have done.
Speaker:I think that's a really reading, listening, studying, diagnostics,
Speaker:whether that be blood tests, scanning.
Speaker:We have clinics around the world, and we've gone, the liver clinics.
Speaker:We had to shift from blood testing to scanning because
Speaker:rightly said blood testing is a lagging indicator
Speaker:but for liver health you've got to look at okay what's
Speaker:my gut as well because if your gut health and gut biome is out of whack your
Speaker:liver may not even be receiving the nutrients but it could also be receiving
Speaker:poisons because you've got leaky gut and those toxins are bypassing the intestinal
Speaker:wall and getting into the bloodstream so those are those are you know you've
Speaker:got to get a full picture and the body is holistic.
Speaker:So you need to know everything that's happening. And so I think that's important.
Speaker:And listening, just meditating and listening to your body and knowing most headaches
Speaker:or your body telling you you're dehydrated.
Speaker:That's where a lot of headaches come from. And people think,
Speaker:oh, I'm just going to take a paracetamol, right?
Speaker:Paracetamol or Tylenol in the US causes one dose of that causes as much damage
Speaker:to your liver as six pints of beer.
Speaker:Yeah, it's incredible. It's like everywhere. You have flu, like you take a couple
Speaker:of different medications, all of them have parastamol in them.
Speaker:And yeah, there we go. So, and I mean, women take it for menstrual pains and
Speaker:it's so sad, like that this thing is so toxic on the liver.
Speaker:In terms of the lab test so when
Speaker:you do a traditional lab test you get things
Speaker:like alt the enzyme found
Speaker:in liver cells that can be high
Speaker:levels can be an indication of liver injury you get
Speaker:things like ggt which is the enzyme involved in bile
Speaker:production so high levels might signal that your bile bile
Speaker:duct problems then you have ast that's the
Speaker:enzyme present in liver and muscle cells elevated levels
Speaker:which are just like damage or muscle injury and you
Speaker:got albumin the protein produced by the liver
Speaker:low levels may reflect decreased liver function
Speaker:you have alp that is also a bile duct enzyme elevated levels might indicate
Speaker:a bile duct blockage or liver disease in general and bilirubin of course which
Speaker:is a bi-productive red blood cell so when your red blood cells break down,
Speaker:your liver is going to process those as it clears it out.
Speaker:You mentioned that these are kind of lagging indicators that you kind of see
Speaker:that, okay, damage is already happening or happened.
Speaker:So why is scanning important?
Speaker:So scanning is important because it gives you real-time data.
Speaker:We've utilized everything from blood tests, but it doesn't show up fatty liver.
Speaker:So 95% of those 150 million Europeans with fatty liver disease don't know it
Speaker:because it's not showing up on a blood test.
Speaker:Ultrasound will tell you fatty or not fatty. It doesn't really give you a lot of data.
Speaker:It's good for picking up a tumor, but it's not very good for showing you the state of your liver fat.
Speaker:We are very much in love with the French technology called FibroScan,
Speaker:which is considered the gold standard.
Speaker:And it's across the planet, they use it. It's so safe. You could take it if
Speaker:you're pregnant. You have a pacemaker, 3,500 published papers.
Speaker:And what that is, remember I said that the liver, the softer and squishier it
Speaker:is, the healthier it is, is this shoots a sound wave through the liver and a
Speaker:sheer wave that causes a reverberation and then ultrasounds also behind it.
Speaker:And what we do is we measure how soft and squishy your liver is.
Speaker:And if there's any fibrosis or scarring, we can pick it up.
Speaker:And we can also pick up early stiffness because early stiffness,
Speaker:if it starts to get stiff and tight, next thing you're going to have is potentially
Speaker:scarring and that's fibrosis.
Speaker:And then you start to get into NASH and then eventually cirrhosis territory.
Speaker:But it also measures the exact amount of liver fat that you have.
Speaker:So we want to know, I don't want to just know, are you fatty or not fatty?
Speaker:I want to know what percentage of your liver is fatty, How much of the liver
Speaker:is showing fatty change So that we can map it And what we do is we would then
Speaker:put you under A protocol of deliverance And then we will then test you and scan
Speaker:you again In three months So everything we do is data driven and evidence based.
Speaker:But all of our treatments are plant-based as well.
Speaker:So it shows you that MRI is great for a whole body MRI once a year,
Speaker:because if you, God forbid, if you've got a tumor, if you catch it at stage
Speaker:one, stage zero, you can get it removed before cancer spreads.
Speaker:Or you can also see arterial issues or coronary issues ahead of the game. I do a cardiac CT scan.
Speaker:These are biohacks, right? These are things that we should do.
Speaker:They can once a year MRI is key.
Speaker:But it'll give you some good indication of the liver, but it's not as specific.
Speaker:So unless you've got the MRI programmed to just do the liver,
Speaker:I think FibroScan is that nice middle ground because it also takes 10 minutes.
Speaker:You lay down on the bed, you pull your shirt up, we scan your liver,
Speaker:takes 10 minutes and you're done.
Speaker:MRI is like a huge ordeal and it's a comfortable, it's claustrophobic,
Speaker:it's really uncomfortable.
Speaker:So that's a great diagnostic to do. I think it's a great middle ground.
Speaker:We use MRI now for confirmation.
Speaker:If we think, okay, maybe he's got a tumor, maybe he's got cancer,
Speaker:or maybe he's got serious scarring, then we use MRI to confirm.
Speaker:The next level above that for confirmation would be a biopsy.
Speaker:FibroScan gets 100 times more surface area than a biopsy. But if you're looking
Speaker:to see if there's cancerous cells, you'll need a biopsy.
Speaker:And most hepatologists I work with or transplant guys is always,
Speaker:you try to avoid a biopsy as long as you can.
Speaker:So using, and I think it's pretty cool using sound and vibrations, right?
Speaker:Which has all kinds of... It makes sense for the scarring and,
Speaker:yeah, fat accumulations.
Speaker:And basically, you get the result immediately. Like, how long does this take?
Speaker:Like, it's painful. Like, how does it work?
Speaker:You lay down on the bed. The only thing you have to do is fast for three hours, water only, no coffee.
Speaker:The reason you don't do coffee is because it pushes so much blood into the liver
Speaker:that we can't get as accurate. So we say, please don't have coffee for three hours.
Speaker:And you lay down. You pull just your shirt up about halfway up your chest.
Speaker:Takes 10 minutes. We send 10 pulses in. Then we map your liver.
Speaker:The results come up immediately. leave is AI working in the background.
Speaker:Plus it's sent to Paris and back instantly. You get your results right then.
Speaker:And then you sit with one of our doctors and he'll go over your results with you.
Speaker:And then should there be any issue, we'll make some adjustments.
Speaker:We start with nutrition and then you'll talk to one of our nutritionists.
Speaker:You'll have a follow-up call and what are you eating? What are you not eating?
Speaker:Add these fruits, add these vegetables. Are you doing enough leafy veg?
Speaker:What's your water? And we kind of put you on a path to getting your liver at
Speaker:optimal health. And we go into low-income areas, and we'll do it for charity,
Speaker:and we'll scan a lot of the population.
Speaker:They'll have a much higher level of fatty liver because they're eating cheap calories.
Speaker:Like high fructose corn syrup, those populations are going to have much higher
Speaker:because they're eating synthetic, inexpensive caloric intake.
Speaker:And then they may not be able to afford deliverance to our products,
Speaker:but they can all afford to be conscious, to look at the back of what they're
Speaker:eating, make some dietary shifts and changes, add some more veg in.
Speaker:Even little things like washing your vegetables and fruit properly to get rid
Speaker:of pesticides and herbicides is a great key to get your liver functioning really well.
Speaker:And of course, like exercise and adequate hydration.
Speaker:Adequate hydration, exercise. Calorie restriction. Calorie restriction.
Speaker:Yeah, I intermittent fast. I basically eat from like 11 to 7,
Speaker:and I don't eat during the other period.
Speaker:I do coffee in the morning, black coffee, or sometimes with MCT oil and grass-fed
Speaker:butter. It's nice because it satates hunger.
Speaker:The quality of the butter is incredibly important. A good point with exercise
Speaker:is when we detoxify, the liver's the engine inside, but how you're getting rid
Speaker:of it in phase three is you literally breathe out toxins, but you sweat.
Speaker:So important for doing that.
Speaker:And if you don't sweat a lot, so that's why I think Scandinavians have the more
Speaker:robust immune systems because saunas and steamroll.
Speaker:Get in your body to that phase to where you're sweating. You're sweating out a lot of toxins.
Speaker:And hence, it's also very important. Once you do sweat a lot,
Speaker:you need to go rinse that sweat off because if you don't, it'll get sucked back in.
Speaker:You've got the toxins out and then you're reabsorbing some of them right back in.
Speaker:Yeah. So whole plunge, right? That's the best post because you get rid of all
Speaker:that sweat and those toxins, but then you're also shocking the immune system,
Speaker:the lymphatic system, and all these cool things are happening.
Speaker:Going to the bathroom is important, so hydration, but sweat is so key.
Speaker:And I think my wife, for instance, doesn't sweat very much, so she's not getting rid of as many toxins.
Speaker:So that's why saunas, she's Swedish. So that's why saunas is such a key component
Speaker:of getting rid of that because it pushes the body.
Speaker:Infrared opens up those pathways. That's another great biohack.
Speaker:I'm a big fan of infrared as well.
Speaker:For sleep, too. The most damaging thing you can do to your body is lack of sleep.
Speaker:I agree. The most damaging thing you can do is stress.
Speaker:Then if you're smoking and all this, then you go down the list.
Speaker:But stress and lack of sleep are just so damaging.
Speaker:It's interesting. From an emotive perspective, anger resides in the liver.
Speaker:If you have a bad liver, you're more angry as well.
Speaker:So it's both. If you're an angry person, you're going to have more liver issues.
Speaker:And if you've got liver issues, it affects your biochemistry to where you're more angry.
Speaker:If you're stiff in your liver, you're stiff in your mind.
Speaker:Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, I also use photobiomodulation when I do,
Speaker:you know, my sweating in a sauna and do all that like full spectrum stuff.
Speaker:I do that in an infrared sauna. I do traditional finished sauna three times
Speaker:a week. I do infrared sauna every day.
Speaker:The reason why I do photobiomodulation is that photobiomodulation,
Speaker:I mean, it affects the mitochondria, right?
Speaker:But mitochondrial function is key for liver health because of the hepatocytes,
Speaker:the ones that perform the detoxification and metabolic efficiency is in the
Speaker:end is a lot about the functioning of the liver cells and mitochondrial function
Speaker:is key there. The other thing is the anti-inflammatory effect.
Speaker:So the reduction of inflammation is key if you have NASH, right?
Speaker:You want to not just detox, you want to lower inflammation so that you help your body to recover.
Speaker:And the last one is cellular energy production, ATP, with photobiomodulation.
Speaker:It's known to support that, particularly the cytochrome B450 enzyme system.
Speaker:So like if you have anger, taking that red light device and putting it on your
Speaker:liver, I think it feels amazing.
Speaker:It's one of my favorite spots actually on the body to support blood flow and reduce inflammation.
Speaker:It feels so comforting on the chest, on the side of the liver.
Speaker:Yeah, that's one of my favorite ones. yeah there
Speaker:is there is some early research that
Speaker:suggests that photobiomodulation could help reduce
Speaker:liver fat accumulation by enhancing lipid metabolism and reductioning oxidative
Speaker:stress so basically taking a full spectrum approach would be key but there's
Speaker:so many things you can do with technology and that's where you need,
Speaker:nature so what is the protocol that you would prescribe to someone you mentioned
Speaker:18 years of R&D like what's in it.
Speaker:Deliverance was 18 years of R&D. And I had been basically formally trained more
Speaker:with Western medicine, right?
Speaker:So it's kind of proactively in vitamins and enzymes and minerals.
Speaker:Whereas Eastern medicine opened up so much to me. I love the philosophy of a
Speaker:good Chinese medicine, Eastern medicine doctor is you pay them every month and they keep you healthy.
Speaker:But if you get ill, they'd stop charging you until you're better.
Speaker:And then what's better, you pay them again.
Speaker:So of illness, not reacting to it. It's complete reverse, right?
Speaker:Here, they cut you off of insurance immediately when you have illness.
Speaker:Yeah. And they pounce on you when you're sick to make money off of you, right?
Speaker:So that's why we practice root cause medicine and functional medicine,
Speaker:which is root cause medicine, but then using diagnostics to see what's happening as well.
Speaker:The deliverance and people say, oh, there's 17 plants and herbs in it.
Speaker:All of them are, we've gone through some type of extraction or enrichment because
Speaker:I'm obsessed with bioavailability.
Speaker:I formulate in a different way because I tie everything we do to results.
Speaker:Whereas some formulators make this incredible product and it has all these great
Speaker:ingredients and here's the science, right? And then they sell it.
Speaker:We're the opposite. I create something and then we test people,
Speaker:whether it be scans, bloods, lifestyle, and we listen and we come back and forth.
Speaker:So everything we do is tied to results, hence data and evidence.
Speaker:That's why we do the scanning and the blood testing before and after,
Speaker:because we want to prove it.
Speaker:And we do prove it. Anecdotally is also important. How is the patient feeling? Are they happier?
Speaker:Are they sleeping better? Do they have less brain fog? How's their skin?
Speaker:How's their energy levels? This is all incredibly important.
Speaker:And at some point, if you're left brain, you really just care about the data.
Speaker:Right now, show me my biomarkers before and after. If you're right brain,
Speaker:you're like, yeah, well, I don't really care about the data. I feel good.
Speaker:But the ultimate, like we have in life, is we want to have equilibrium.
Speaker:We want to be balanced between left and right brain. We want to feel and know.
Speaker:So I formulate with those principles and using sake of geometry and numerology
Speaker:and science and tech and listening to plants and sitting around a fire for a
Speaker:week with a shaman in the rainforest to looking at old literature in China.
Speaker:These are all the things that how we did it, that there's no ingredient in deliverance
Speaker:that's doing every, that's like the power thing. It's the culmination of all of those.
Speaker:It's like listening to great music, like a great symphony. It's everything working
Speaker:together and the body's like that.
Speaker:It is. I wish more supplement companies did that, that they would actually.
Speaker:Base their formulations on testing their
Speaker:users like before and after and you are doing it
Speaker:in real time you're getting these results you're
Speaker:fine-tuning this formulation already a couple of decades to get to a result
Speaker:that is delivering the things that you need to really get yourself back in order
Speaker:and that's what buy hackers should do like anything you do like let's say you take omega-3 oils.
Speaker:Measure if you're actually absorbing, if your omega-3 levels are increasing.
Speaker:If you take things that are supposedly helping your cardiovascular health,
Speaker:measure all the particles and cholesterol values and components to figure out
Speaker:if the stuff that you're doing, the intervention is actually having an effect on you.
Speaker:And that's why it's so important that, I mean, right now it's kind of,
Speaker:in many cases, it is the consumer's responsibility to figure out if it works or not.
Speaker:You guys are combining the testing with the supplements.
Speaker:Basically a full spectrum protocol and approach
Speaker:that supports the supplementation like supplement is on
Speaker:top of an existing healthy well-rounded
Speaker:strategy and approach to fix in
Speaker:this case the liver you can support but there is
Speaker:no magic pill it's a combination of things
Speaker:like you say and all of that sleep
Speaker:mental balance is key
Speaker:and psychology because our body is
Speaker:reacting to not what we
Speaker:see but our reaction to what we see what is
Speaker:in your bloodstream what is going into your liver if it's
Speaker:a bunch of stress hormones like it's
Speaker:partly your fault right you kind of like
Speaker:let that happen with your lifestyle with your
Speaker:psychology with your spirituality is that that's
Speaker:why it's so important that when we're thinking of a comprehensive approach to
Speaker:support something like the liver that you give the nutrients a chance to deliver
Speaker:the things that you need and what you're seeking from those things right.
Speaker:Quite a wrap i could be your salesman for
Speaker:your product but i mean i've seen many companies
Speaker:there is not many who are doing this
Speaker:that they are taking the scan here's
Speaker:the result i mean there is some like looking at your
Speaker:whatever i think
Speaker:like omega-3 to omega-6 ratio right so like that
Speaker:that is kind of pretty common test like there's
Speaker:many supplements companies out there who have done that and then they
Speaker:provide you omega-3 fatty acids olive oil or whatever and see if you're getting
Speaker:the results if it's absorbing but even simple things like vitamin d supplements
Speaker:like not many companies are who are providing those products are also simultaneously
Speaker:measuring their customers vitamin D levels,
Speaker:but that would be the smart approach, right?
Speaker:Yeah, absolutely. Because most vitamin D you take, you don't absorb it.
Speaker:I mean, obviously the sun's the best.
Speaker:But when you like, so it is good. It's important.
Speaker:If you're selling a supplement or a medicine or a biohacking thing,
Speaker:it's our responsibility. We're trying to shepherd people to good health.
Speaker:I mean, that's really what it's about.
Speaker:And giving them the right education, not just selling a supplement.
Speaker:You're affecting health, changing health,
Speaker:and education is so, so key sublingual
Speaker:if you do vitamin d sublingual generally needs to be because if
Speaker:not you're not going to absorb it into the bloodstream so you've got to go that's
Speaker:why i use liposomes you go right into the bloodstream yeah i
Speaker:just want to take some vitamin d there you go that's how i often do it like
Speaker:it's like i have these random bottles around me and got some mushrooms here
Speaker:what do you think about functional mushrooms like that's also in eastern medicine
Speaker:quite a big thing if there are Well, I don't know a ton about them, to be candid.
Speaker:I am a big fan of reishi mushrooms. I think lion's mane.
Speaker:Fungus in general is one of the most incredible living entities on the planet
Speaker:and organisms. It's also the largest.
Speaker:And just how they, you know, they're the communication pathways between forests
Speaker:and how all the trees speak to each other.
Speaker:And I think fungus are incredible. I think there's so much untapped health and
Speaker:knowledge and goodness in them that we're discovering more and more.
Speaker:I'm a big proponent of mushroom in fact this year we're going to make sure to
Speaker:come to your show a little earlier so we can do the foraging.
Speaker:We are actually going to organize a foraging master herbalist,
Speaker:Jarrow Willard, the herbal Jedi.
Speaker:People can check him out on YouTube. He's coming from Vancouver Island and he's
Speaker:doing a foraging herb walk.
Speaker:And we're going to go into this Viking village, like an ancient Estonian Viking
Speaker:village. You can throw axes there and you can live like a Viking.
Speaker:But we're going to teach people about the plants and foraging.
Speaker:This is going to be probably a couple of days before the conference starts.
Speaker:So yeah, you should join us. Doesn't that sound amazing?
Speaker:Like rewilding and reconnecting to your primal self and foraging.
Speaker:Estonia is full of chaga mushrooms. You mentioned antioxidants key for liver health.
Speaker:Mushrooms are some of the highest sources of antioxidants. Chaga has like 10x
Speaker:of antioxidants of anything, including coffee.
Speaker:And then when you take reishi, that's another one which is extremely high in
Speaker:antioxidants that may help support your liver enzymes.
Speaker:And I think in Chinese medicine, it's also used for liver detoxification.
Speaker:Then I would say like one of my favorite mushrooms that people don't necessarily
Speaker:think about that much, like, I mean, it's available as a supplement,
Speaker:but it's not the top one, like Reishi Chagra Cordyceps Linesmen,
Speaker:is actually turkey tail.
Speaker:Turkey tail is primarily used for immune system.
Speaker:And it's out of all of these, all of these support immune system,
Speaker:but turkey tail is the strongest one so there
Speaker:is probably some indirect effects also
Speaker:on liver health that come from the immune system support
Speaker:here so yeah like yeah forests
Speaker:plants mushrooms are the ultimate chemists like
Speaker:they produce the most complex molecules we
Speaker:god knows why but it that's the stuff we
Speaker:need to have a well-functioning biology
Speaker:like that they're producing many of these compounds for
Speaker:their own protection like antioxidants and anti-inflammatory
Speaker:anti-cancer antibacterial antifungal compounds and when you take it we happen
Speaker:to have pathways to utilize them i learned a lot of this from yarrow willard
Speaker:and there is no better place in the world in june.
Speaker:Than being in estonia and if one
Speaker:has never been to finland it's two hour boat trip i pretty
Speaker:much live between like i go there every few weeks slightly different
Speaker:nature but the wild herbs are the best in the world cleanest we have the cleanest
Speaker:water i live in a city here and i go for a walk i collect my food in the summer
Speaker:and i can't wait for june when it's the best time when you have the freshest stuff to pick up.
Speaker:Yeah, happy to show you one of my favorite.
Speaker:That's incredible. And we're looking forward to yours so much.
Speaker:I'm going to bring my wife as my co-founder and our two children, six and five.
Speaker:So when we come, I'm actually going to, I'll find out the dates,
Speaker:but we'd love to come on that as a family tutor experience.
Speaker:The next generations need to know more about nature than ever,
Speaker:about how to, and that respects and that understanding.
Speaker:This is so true it was like yeah
Speaker:a year ago yeah a year
Speaker:ago Dave Asprey was here and we went
Speaker:with his daughter for collecting
Speaker:wild herbs and I have to
Speaker:say like Dave Asprey's daughter knew more about the
Speaker:plants than Dave himself which was amazing like because she was all about those
Speaker:I mean Dave knows a lot also but like yeah the daughter like recognized a lot
Speaker:of the plants and it was so so cool wonderful peaceful day that we had a little picnic,
Speaker:and yeah it just like reminds us like how important this time away is but another
Speaker:thing that like for our listeners why it's a great idea to come for a trip many
Speaker:people live in big cities like new york singapore right san francisco like it's
Speaker:it's a while to get to nature but the other thing is that.
Speaker:Like in terms of medical treatments, if one wants to do anything from hyperbaric
Speaker:oxygen to something like laser therapy, like Brian Johnson is doing this,
Speaker:like skin treatments, like these kind of therapies and also like lab tests and
Speaker:all of that, they can cost like a fortune.
Speaker:But with the price of the flight tickets, plus the treatments in Estonia,
Speaker:you have more money on the table.
Speaker:Like it's for me to do hyperbaric oxygen
Speaker:is like 35 euros for about
Speaker:like it's that's also a good idea why
Speaker:you want to come here like a week before is to like just to go to these places
Speaker:you're not going to get ripped off you get you get like a high level service
Speaker:so i think estonia is a good destination for doing a couple of biohacks also
Speaker:like to get yourself ready for the conference in addition to the nature aspect,
Speaker:of course. The children will love it. Like, it's awesome.
Speaker:I love, I'm a huge fan of those modalities too. But yeah, like a forest bath,
Speaker:walking around the forest just energetically, you know, it'll be good because
Speaker:we're going to shed all this stuff because we're coming right from Austin and
Speaker:the States right out of a conference and then we'll be in London and then we're
Speaker:going to come from the craziness of London and I just would connect with nature and everything.
Speaker:So our focus will come into the show just like cleanse,
Speaker:energetically, physically and mentally too I want to leave once you come because
Speaker:then it's also it's getting to the longest,
Speaker:time of the year there's the midsummer festivals right after our conference
Speaker:which is basically the sun never sets also it's Estonians are all they're crazy
Speaker:about their midsummer festivals and their bonfires and all of that,
Speaker:it's really lovely and what I like about.
Speaker:That time of the year is like the amount of energy you have from
Speaker:the sun constantly but it's not burning like it's
Speaker:just perfect like i don't want to be anywhere else in
Speaker:the world at that time of the year on this planet and yeah
Speaker:but i'm really looking forward to your service like you're going to be scanning
Speaker:people you're going to provide all this amazing information you're going to
Speaker:give some nice talks it's going to be great and we have a couple of thousand
Speaker:people coming over it is yeah Yeah, I'm excited to, and it's the whole life summit.
Speaker:So it's a holistic lifestyle. It's the whole life, how you can live a more whole, complete life.
Speaker:That's what we're going to be celebrating kind of the next evolutionary step
Speaker:of biohacking where we finally recognize that we come from nature and we return
Speaker:to nature and the connection to our environment.
Speaker:And not just like health is not only about optimizing yourself for your own benefit.
Speaker:It's also about contribution to the world. when you upgrade yourself when you
Speaker:create a better version of yourself you are creating a better world and it's
Speaker:all impact driven in a sense and we have to recognize the importance of ancient,
Speaker:traditional wisdom in addition to modern science and this is what biohackers
Speaker:have always been about so yeah i'm excited and great to have you guys there
Speaker:as well if people want to learn more about liver clinic.
Speaker:What kind of services do you provide people online and where do you serve them
Speaker:if they want to get their liver scanned?
Speaker:So our website is very apropos, which is loveyourliver.com.
Speaker:And that's our website. And that has all the stuff about deliverance,
Speaker:the liver clinic as well. It'll take you over the liver clinic website.
Speaker:And we're opening more and more clinics right now. We're, you know,
Speaker:we've got seven clinics in the UK and London. We've got six in the US and we're adding more.
Speaker:We were speaking to some partners in Europe, potentially probably Estonia as well.
Speaker:Eventually there'll be a liver clinic. I would imagine in Estonia this year.
Speaker:Because we always tie in, you know, our kind of trifecta is the diagnostics,
Speaker:but you've also got nutritionists and you've got a doctor as well.
Speaker:So we're tying in the best of the medical community, the best of the plant-based
Speaker:community and the best of diagnostics.
Speaker:And you said it very true.
Speaker:It's a spiritual teaching that I always try to tell people and it's as old as mankind is.
Speaker:The most important person in this world that we can love is ourselves.
Speaker:And the ability to love others is limited by how much we love ourselves.
Speaker:And one of the ways to love yourself is to take care of yourself and to treat
Speaker:yourself well. And then you can give more love to the world.
Speaker:You can do more good for the world and you can spread that as well.
Speaker:And another thing to leave you with, which it kind of sparked,
Speaker:popped into my head while we were chatting was Da Vinci, who I'm a student of and a huge fan.
Speaker:It was arguably one of the most intelligent, almost alien-like minds planets
Speaker:ever had, he says he learned everything that he knew from nature.
Speaker:And he by listening and observing to nature, all of his, whether it be mechanical,
Speaker:or it be scientific, or artistic, or with light, with mathematics, is all from nature.
Speaker:And he came from a rural area and he was a huge fan of geometry.
Speaker:The geometry is all around us physically in nature, obviously,
Speaker:and then numerically and energetically as well. So you're very right on that.
Speaker:Nature has so much to teach us. Everything comes from nature.
Speaker:I couldn't have said it better. This is why in our whole life,
Speaker:we connect that to the hermetic tradition and alchemy.
Speaker:Like often people think of alchemy as pseudoscience, but
Speaker:alchemy is actually where modern medicine comes
Speaker:from like these guys who are trying to synthesize different potions
Speaker:and remedies like they basically kicked off the medical revolution
Speaker:and da vinci was an alchemist that's
Speaker:the completely hermetic idea is to
Speaker:connect to nature that nature
Speaker:is like the primary teacher and what is above so
Speaker:is below like this connection to your environment is so key and understanding
Speaker:in the macro cosmos and the microcosmos and eventually healing as much as it's
Speaker:a science it's also an art this is what the hermetists said and yeah i think
Speaker:like in biohacking there is not much.
Speaker:Discussion of this ancient mythology but
Speaker:there is kind of this artificial division between
Speaker:science and nature and that has happened kind of
Speaker:holistic full spectrum therapies and then
Speaker:we have like this precision abstraction of.
Speaker:Single molecules single interventions and all of
Speaker:that but ultimately like that's an artificial
Speaker:division like these are like originating
Speaker:from the same source right they need to be connected and
Speaker:as we go forward and i believe with artificial intelligence
Speaker:we're finally able to escape this reductionist mindset
Speaker:because all we had was a microscope right or
Speaker:a telescope to see precisely into a
Speaker:specific thing but now we have new technology
Speaker:that can see the complexity at a
Speaker:level that we can't so it's kind of a new microscope or
Speaker:a new telescope that enables us finally
Speaker:to connect the dots kind of reverse engineer
Speaker:the complexity of nature back to complex
Speaker:interactions and not just like single variables and liver
Speaker:is no different it's a master orchestrator it's one
Speaker:of the key organs of the body it's connected to the lymphatic system
Speaker:blood flow immune system detoxification pathways
Speaker:has incredible capabilities and intelligence of rejuvenation and it's able and
Speaker:capable of using everything and all that it can to to help in phase one two
Speaker:three to rejuvenate itself and so yeah like one of the one of the key as like allies.
Speaker:Is nature's complex chemistry that can help it.
Speaker:And single molecules as well. And the combination of these.
Speaker:And new technologies like this this is
Speaker:kind of in addition to a well-functioning brain well-functioning cardiovascular
Speaker:system a well-functioning liver is key for optimal health so thank you so much
Speaker:cg like this was amazing i'm inspired and yeah check out what is it,
Speaker:loveyourliver.com yeah check it out and check out their clinic and come over to,
Speaker:Tallinn and get your liver checked it's a quick procedure don't drink coffee
Speaker:but outside of that drink a bunch of coffee for your liver health so,
Speaker:and curcumin and all of these other goodies alright absolutely I'll see you
Speaker:in the forest in June let's do that okay fantastic thank.
Speaker:Music.
